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You are reading page 58 of Right to Bear Arms. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

What went wrong?

That may be the most heart breaking question when we see these children become such broken people. Many of us are parents and know the trials and tears of raising children. What happened. What could have been done?

How can we as a society learn from these tragedies?

I believe that if I think back to my own childhood when gun violence was a rare thing there are big differences in how society was constructed.

There were far fewer single mom families: Most families had a mom and a dad. Being a single mom wasn't promoted, glorified, encouraged, and on the movie screen wasn't made to be so awesome and wonderful and sought after. Not true today.

Sit-coms on TV had a strong family unit. The shows didn't have and weren't allowed to have sex scenes, foul language, violence and when the families sat to eat a meal, they were all together at one table. Except for Blue Bloods, I haven't seen one show in years that has that as a regular part of each episode.

Fathers and men in general were the head of the family, with the mother a strong co-partner. I think of my own parents. My dad was certainly the head of our family, but he couldn't have and knew he couldn't have, done what he did without my mother.

Back to TV and the movies: men were not portrayed as buffoons, who botch up everything they touch.

God, or some kind of religious belief, was a part of far more families than it true today.

Children were not coddled and told "you are the best" all the time. When we came in second at anything, we knew we hadn't done the best. The winner did that. Want to win? Run faster next time, study harder for that spelling bee, learn ALL the mulitplication tables like you teacher told you to do.

Schools weren't given the task of raising children. Except for school lunches, parents fed their kids before and after school, not the taxpaying citizens.

I am sure there are more that can be added to this list, but if we make a contrast to how society has changed and what we can do to fix it, I do not think these things can be discounted.

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I believe that if I think back to my own childhood when gun violence was a rare thing there are big differences in how society was constructed.

There were far fewer single mom families: Most families had a mom and a dad. Being a single mom wasn't promoted, glorified, encouraged, and on the movie screen wasn't made to be so awesome and wonderful and sought after. Not true today.

Sit-coms on TV had a strong family unit. The shows didn't have and weren't allowed to have sex scenes, foul language, violence and when the families sat to eat a meal, they were all together at one table. Except for Blue Bloods, I haven't seen one show in years that has that as a regular part of each episode.

Fathers and men in general were the head of the family, with the mother a strong co-partner. I think of my own parents. My dad was certainly the head of our family, but he couldn't have and knew he couldn't have, done what he did without my mother.

Back to TV and the movies: men were not portrayed as buffoons, who botch up everything they touch.

God, or some kind of religious belief, was a part of far more families than it true today.

Children were not coddled and told "you are the best" all the time. When we came in second at anything, we knew we hadn't done the best. The winner did that. Want to win? Run faster next time, study harder for that spelling bee, learn ALL the mulitplication tables like you teacher told you to do.

Schools weren't given the task of raising children. Except for school lunches, parents fed their kids before and after school, not the taxpaying citizens.

I am sure there are more that can be added to this list, but if we make a contrast to how society has changed and what we can do to fix it, I do not think these things can be discounted.

*** I tend to think that media and entertainment is lagging society. I mean rather than society getting their examples from media and entertainment, media and entertainment are reflecting what has already happend in society.

My perspective is different as a result of having lived and worked in New Zealand, and having spent several years traveling and working in various other countries. My wife is from New Zealand and my children and I have dual citizenship. New Zealand is the least religious country I have ever experienced. Few young people get married. My wife and I had no intention of getting married until it became required in order for her to live with me in the USA. When I lived there nearly anyone could walk into a sporting good store and purchase a rifle or shotgun. I purchased several. Handguns are tightly controlled and require a license, though I was able to get a license with only moderate hoop jumping.

In spite of the lack of married couples and the almost total lack of public displays of religion I was alwasy impressed by the very tight family and extended family relationships I observed. Nearly all the young female nurses I worked with, and all of my wife's girlfriends were in stable, long term relationships with the men who fathered their children. In other words very tight, close families with couples who were devoted to each other and their children and usually extended family very involved despite the lack of religion or official marriage.

Unlike the US governement, the NZ governemnet does not provide financial incentives for couples to get married.

My point is that I think there is something fundamentaly different about US society that accounts for what I see as a breakdown of the family other than religion and marriage.

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*** I tend to think that media and entertainment is lagging society. I mean rather than society getting their examples from media and entertainment, media and entertainment are reflecting what has already happend in society.

My perspective is different as a result of having lived and worked in New Zealand, and having spent several years traveling and working in various other countries. My wife is from New Zealand and my children and I have dual citizenship. New Zealand is the least religious country I have ever experienced. Few young people get married. My wife and I had no intention of getting married until it became required in order for her to live with me in the USA. When I lived there nearly anyone could walk into a sporting good store and purchase a rifle or shotgun. I purchased several. Handguns are tightly controlled and require a license, though I was able to get a license with only moderate hoop jumping.

In spite of the lack of married couples and the almost total lack of public displays of religion I was alwasy impressed by the very tight family and extended family relationships I observed. Nearly all the young female nurses I worked with, and all of my wife's girlfriends were in stable, long term relationships with the men who fathered their children. In other words very tight, close families with couples who were devoted to each other and their children and usually extended family very involved despite the lack of religion or official marriage.

Unlike the US governement, the NZ governemnet does not provide financial incentives for couples to get married.

My point is that I think there is something fundamentaly different about US society that accounts for what I see as a breakdown of the family other than religion and marriage.

Thank you for a much different perspective.

I did forget to mention guns. Guns could could be purchase from the Sears and Robucks catalog. My dad's was kept, unsecured, behind the back door. We knew we were not to touch it. (I do wish it had been more popular for girls to learn to shoot back then: also to take auto or wood shop, not just home ec.) My husband attended Punaho in Hawaii and they had a shooting club, as part of school activitiese! OH, THE HORROR!

But you are correct, there must be something else about the US that has caused this decay.

But the lack of a strong family unit has to be part of it......religious or not.

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How funny . . . I had gone to Fox to look up "online personalities" (their term, not mine) and then got pulled away to my real life and my son getting ready for school. When I came back and read tntrn and PMFB-RN . . . . I had to laugh. This was one of the lead stories on Fox. Talk about parenting deficiencies . . ..can we think of better things for our 16 year old sons to do? What kind of role model is this for a mom to teach her son? Will he treat women like sex objects? Will his future wife appreciate this?

New York mom charged after allegedly hiring strippers for 16-year-old's birthday | Fox News

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I grew up in the 1940s and 50s to early 60s.

I remember most families trying to give their kids a great life after growing uo in the depression and then fighting WWII.

There was a lot of giving a good impression. My Grandma told the truth on a level kids could understand.

One family we visited had two kids. The dad hurt the mom. No one was to know. My Mommy sewed pajamas for the kids and had the mom and kids over after school sometimes.

They had a TV but no money for the kids to have nice clothes. We didn't have a TV yet.

Later when we did Grandma got very mad watching Ricki spank Lucy. She said that a man hitting his wife and treating her like a child was NOT funny. We again talked about that neighbor family.

The year we moved to California the older girl in that family "went away to school". Grandma told us she was goind so the town people could pretend she didn't have sex and get pregnant.

We talked about the 16 year old mother who gave us our wonderful cousin and how it shouldn't be so shamefull no one would talk about it.

Whispers about a kid "without a father" were supposedly for adult gossip only.

After coming to California I looked different and spoke with an Okie accent. But three of us new girls became friends and are friends to this day. The popular kids ignored us but the "brains" let us into their group. All were smarter than I am. (I'm smart enough to be a nurse!).

The girl thought to have "cooties" was sort of part of our group. We praised her nice fingernails and clothes, but she wasn't easy to communicate with. She seemed happy to have a group to stand with. Just being with us got her called a "n***** lover" because we were different races. The kids that did that had to sneak because teachers and all who worked at the school were very disaproving of racisim or insults to others religion.

I still feel bad that after a few words we all talked but she just stood there. Something was going on with her that we don't know about.

She died in her 30s and we don't know why.

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As states are upping the ante by passing restrictive gun laws, some gun/ammo dealers are calling them by restricting sales to police and government in those states. It's a case of what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Most of the dealers on the list seem small enough to be ignored but I could see some departments getting their nose bent out of shape by being denied Barrett sniper rifles.

Due to legal, ethical and moral concerns, Citizen Arms offers only those custom firearms that are legal for all lawful citizens of a given state to possess, regardless of law enforcement status. LE personnel living in states where citizens must have restrictive features will only receive like product support from Citizen Arms. We’re very appreciative of the sacrifices made by the law enforcement community but we’re even more appreciative of the right guaranteed to all law-abiding US citizens by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

On Saturday I refused to sell a AR-15 rifle to a police officer from California. He came into my shop and wanted to buy his duty gun in AZ because the same gun in his home state would cost him more. I told him that I would not sell him the gun even though he had his department letter saying he was able to buy it. I told him that if the gun was not legal for law abiding men and women in CA, I would not sell it to him. after he told me that “civilians don’t need them type of guns” I asked to leave my shop. as he stomped out mad.

By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their second amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators.

Gaining Momentum: Now 44 Gun Companies Have Stopped Selling to Law Enforcement In Anti-2nd Amendment States | TheBlaze.com

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As states are upping the ante by passing restrictive gun laws, some gun/ammo dealers are calling them by restricting sales to police and government in those states. It's a case of what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Most of the dealers on the list seem small enough to be ignored but I could see some departments getting their nose bent out of shape by being denied Barrett sniper rifles.

What a great idea!

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A bill to "Exempt Firearms from Federal Regulation" has passed the Alaska House.

An Act exempting certain firearms, firearm accessories, and ammunition in this state from federal regulation; declaring certain federal statutes, regulations, rules, and orders unconstitutional under the Constitution of the United States and unenforceable in this state; providing criminal penalties for federal officials who enforce or attempt to enforce a federal statute, regulation, rule, or order regulating certain firearms and firearm accessories in this state; and providing for an effective date.

 

Sponsor Statement: HB 69 - Exempt Firearms from Federal Regulation -- 28th AK Legislature House Majority

House Speaker Mike Chenault says federal law enforcement officers should be arrested in Alaska if they attempt to enforce any future federal law banning personal possession of assault rifles or large ammunition clips or if they attempt to register any Alaska firearm.

Read more here: Federal agents would face arrest under Alaska gun bill | State News | ADN.com

Texas too: Texas Proposal: JAIL Any Federal Officials Trying to Enforce New Gun Restrictions in the State - NewsRadio 1200 WOAI, San Antonio

Ironic that House Speaker Chenault is wearing an American Flag pin. Doesn't he know the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution?

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Also Wyoming Wyoming House passes bill meant to invalidate proposed gun laws | Reuters

Wyoming is one of several states where legislators have proposed laws seeking to nullify new federal gun restrictions, said Jon Griffin, a policy associate with the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Among the other states where such laws have been introduced this year are Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Nebraska, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia, he said.

Has any state tried universal background checks? If so, how's that working out for them?

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