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Shall we start yet another thread to debate gun control? Someone starts one after every mass shooting and NOTHING CHANGES.When will this insanity stop? I wonder what type of weapons this kid had and where he could have obtained them.

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One way i cope with the unthinkable is to try to figure out 'Why?' and how to prevent another mass killing.

I think we need to discuss improving out lack of a mental health system. Discuss possibly education along with a a system for reporting and treatment could prevent violence and sexual abuse.

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Disarming law abiding citizens is not the answer. And all the gun control in the world will not solve this mass shooting problem. Murder is illegal and people still kill each other. Driving drunk is illegal, yet people do it every day. I think part of the solution is allowing law abiding citizens to carry weapons for self defense. The reason these shooting happen at schools is because the shooters know there are no armed people to provide resistance. Why don't shooters go to a police HQ and start there? Obviously, because they'd be shot dead very quickly. People need to exercise common sense here. More gun laws is not the answer.

The de- institutionalization of psychiatric patients to live in normal society I believe is at the center of the problem of evil monsters killing innocent people.

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Since I don't post very often, I inadvertently clicked "like" on the above post, which I did not intend to do.

In the face of this unspeakable tragedy, could we perhaps not refer to "psychiatric patients" as "evil monsters"? If it isn't ok to paint all gun owners as wild eyed fanatics, it is also not ok to paint all people who struggle with psychiatric illness as "evil." Let's dial it back a bit and just reflect on these precious children and brave adults who were lost today.

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Since I don't post very often, I inadvertently clicked "like" on the above post, which I did not intend to do.

In the face of this unspeakable tragedy, could we perhaps not refer to "psychiatric patients" as "evil monsters"? If it isn't ok to paint all gun owners as wild eyed fanatics, it is also not ok to paint all people who struggle with psychiatric illness as "evil." Let's dial it back a bit and just reflect on these precious children and brave adults who were lost today.

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Disarming law abiding citizens is not the answer. And all the gun control in the world will not solve this mass shooting problem. Murder is illegal and people still kill each other. Driving drunk is illegal, yet people do it every day. I think part of the solution is allowing law abiding citizens to carry weapons for self defense. The reason these shooting happen at schools is because the shooters know there are no armed people to provide resistance. Why don't shooters go to a police HQ and start there? Obviously, because they'd be shot dead very quickly. People need to exercise common sense here. More gun laws is not the answer.

The de- institutionalization of psychiatric patients to live in normal society I believe is at the center of the problem of evil monsters killing innocent people.

This post was spot on until the part about psychiatric patients. There is a world of difference between mental illness and pure evil, although they can and do coexist in a tiny minority of people. Please let us not go back in time 40 or 50 years or more, when folks were afraid to admit to psychiatric problems and avoided treatment because of the stigma and the fear of institutionalization.

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If, and I don't believe it would solve the issue, but if we do have everyone having the ability to carry concealed everywhere how would that help? We would have more guns out when anything terrible did happen. Most people do not know how to handle a gun. I believe that if you are going to own a weapon you need to take a course and pass a written and qualifying exam. Most of us will never have the "need" to pull a weapon in self-defense. Those who do in the course of their work have to not only do this but also have to requalify routinely.

It is not enough to know how to load and unload. Just this past week there was a child in a car seat killed by his father who put down an "unloaded" gun and it discharged. There had been a bullet in the chamber. Gun safety is the number one issue. Just this past week I heard about another child who shot herself in the face with her father's gun. He works security. If people who already have these issues how much worse do you think it will be if we have more conceal carry pieces floating around.

I am not anti-gun ownership. I think like in the case of another deadly weapon, a car, there need to be rules. Basic education and testing. This obviously will not stop accidents such as the ones I just pointed out. It would have those who chose to carry at least knowledgeable and held accountable. In the case of accidents with guns we need to investigate them and not flippantly call them accidents. If things were not done correctly the owner needs to b held accountable.

Psychiatric illness can happen to anyone. Most people who have mental illness are not a danger to others. Most car drivers are not stupid but all do stupid things. I do not think we can stop all gun problems anymore than we can stop all auto accidents. I do believe we can have a better, safer enviornment without everyone packing. And I believe if you are "packing" you need to show you know what you are doing. Otherwise a fire cracker in a parking lot will start the next gunfight at the OK corral.

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another view. I cannot argue this view. We have to do something.

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another view. I cannot argue this view. We have to do something.

I haven't the time to look up statistics from other sources that would agree with or refute this, but the question is:

How many of those murders were done with by criminals with stolen guns, as opposed to guns used by the registered owners to commit a murder.

A statistic such as this must include more information.....and it won't matter how many gun laws you pass, the criminals will still have guns.....just like they do now.

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Guns do not murder people. Sick, twisted, soul-less people murder people. My husband and I are gun owners. We are members of a shooting range. We have a hunting lease and hunt to stock our freezer every winter. We both have permits to carry concealed, and we regularly do. My husband never leaves our house without a gun on his hip. Our two sons have BB guns, and at the tender ages of 6 and 7, already know how to safely use them under our direct supervision. When not being carried, our guns stay locked in a gun safe. Coming from a responsible gun owner, gun control is not a solution. This country needs tougher penalties for criminals who DO hurt people, and a better mental health system. There are other weapons besides guns. If we try out gun control, the only people who wont have guns will be law-abiding citizens. Having personally been in a situation where I've had my hand on my gun, more than once, no way would I ever be comfortable not having one. I agree that anyone who owns one should be required to KNOW how to safely use one. That's common sense. No guns is a really bad idea, IMO. I'd rather shoot dead the guy breaking into my house at night while my husband is at work than cower in a room with my kids and hope he doesn't hear us.

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How many of those murders were done with by criminals with stolen guns, as opposed to guns used by the registered owners to commit a murder.

A statistic such as this must include more information.....and it won't matter how many gun laws you pass, the criminals will still have guns.....just like they do now.

Exactly.

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I want a gun. I'm old, slow, and not near as strong as I used to be. As far as prey goes, I'm prime.

If, God forbid, I'm ever in a situation where someone pulls a gun to kill me and mine, I want to have a chance. I don't want to be cowering in a closet waiting to be shot. I don't want to crawl around on the floor in the dark praying I make it to the door. I want a fighting chance to survive if I'm ever faced with someone who wants me dead.

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