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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What?

Are you sacrificing clarity for attempts at cleverness? Only conservative Trump supporters think that NK is going to give up their nukes. Only Trump thinks that he's going to secure some historic deal and compromise. You are calling them fools?

 

Dude, NK is never going to give up their nukes. Why would they? They made Clinton feed them with the promise of "peace," while they were developing nukes during that era. 🙂

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17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Voluntary agreements imply encouragement rather than enforcement to some people, like me.  Wouldn't all international agreements fall into your characterization? Will the North Korea agreement represent à pipe dream too  (if we ever see one)?

Enforcement may be an issue during this presidency. Trump isn't well known for stellar honesty or ethics, getting him to comply with terms of agreements could be challenging. 

What you guys believe: 

http://time.com/4810846/china-energy-climate-change-paris-agreement/

 

What reality is: 

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Some-60-per-cent-of-the-Yellow-River,-the-cradle-of-Chinese-civilisation,-is-dead-7995.html

 

http://news.asiantown.net/r/34859/china-s-toxic-air-pollution-resembles-nuclear-winter-say-scientists

 

 

You were saying? 🙂

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5 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

I was saying that you characterized all agreements as just pieces of paper that require enforcement. I was saying that the US currently has an executive administrator who doess not uphold or preserve agreements and had isolated our country relative to Iran and North Korea and the Paris Accord.

Do you even have a point beyond looking for an argument?

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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I was saying that you characterized all agreements as just pieces of paper that require enforcement. I was saying that the US currently has an executive administrator who doess not uphold or preserve agreements and had isolated our country relative to Iran and North Korea and the Paris Accord.

Do you even have a point beyond looking for an argument?

Basically it's like this.

I never thought Trump would be making NK to give up nukes.

Why would they? That is illogical. To actually expect NK to give up their nukes, is insanity. It's the only lifeline Kim has.

 

Then, regarding the Paris Accord. How much money did OUR NATION spend, versus China? Versus Canada? Versus all other nations in that scam? (I'm not saying Climate change is not real. Merely suggesting that accord is a sham)

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16 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Basically it's like this.

I never thought Trump would be making NK to give up nukes.

Why would they? That is illogical. To actually expect NK to give up their nukes, is insanity. It's the only lifeline Kim has.

 

Then, regarding the Paris Accord. How much money did OUR NATION spend, versus China? Versus Canada? Versus all other nations in that scam? (I'm not saying Climate change is not real. Merely suggesting that accord is a sham)

So you agree that Trump is an unreliable liar who is using NK as some propaganda tool to sell his "skills" to his supporters. And you admit that you believe the US interest in something like an international climate agreement should be established primarily based on some opinion about economic or financial equity? 

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So you agree that Trump is an unreliable liar who is using NK as some propaganda tool to sell his "skills" to his supporters. And you admit that you believe the US interest in something like an international climate agreement should be established primarily based on some opinion about economic or financial equity? 

Dude, Trump lies a lot? Look at Trump University. 

NK was purely propaganda but hey..he got that dictator kid to show.

And regarding "climate agreement.." Didn't Al Gore say that all the Arctic ice would be gone? Seems to be "evolving."

Meanwhile, it's insanity to ask us (Americans) to pay for everything.

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18 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Dude, Trump lies a lot? Look at Trump University. 

NK was purely propaganda but hey..he got that dictator kid to show.

And regarding "climate agreement.." Didn't Al Gore say that all the Arctic ice would be gone? Seems to be "evolving."

Meanwhile, it's insanity to ask us (Americans) to pay for everything.

 

It's sad really that millions of Americans have been duped into believing that a deeply corrupt and incompetent grifter is a good president. 

I live just a couple hours south of the artic circle. You might want to research where we are with arctic ice before making silly attempts to be smug out of ignorance. 

Meanwhile, who but Americans should pay for what Americans want and need?

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Lil Nel, you’re correct. I have heard of issues for the Unghers but have not researched it.  I am more concerned with issues that directly affect US citizens and I’m not a fan for tilting at windmills.  So, what is the solution? What is the plan to get China to treat their citizens fairly and when do you expect that to occur?

Back on topic, are you in favor of China’s trade practices? Do you think we should ignore them or try to get China to play fairly?

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2 minutes ago, azhiker96 said:

Lil Nel, you’re correct. I have heard of issues for the Unghers but have not researched it.  I am more concerned with issues that directly affect US citizens and I’m not a fan for tilting at windmills.  So, what is the solution? What is the plan to get China to treat their citizens fairly and when do you expect that to occur?

Back on topic, are you in favor of China’s trade practices? Do you think we should ignore them or try to get China to play fairly?

I think it fair to tie human rights abuses to trade discussions.

Why don't you?

US companies rushed to do business in China, a Communist country, with OUR government's backing, in part, because it was thought trade would be one way to get China to change.

That hasn't happened.

Again, what did OUR government expect?

Certainly, naivety on the part of Americans.

Why do you think human rights abuses don't directly affect Americans?

Such abuses affect migration.

I have already stated I am not a China expert.

Clearly, there is lots of room for negotiations.

But judging from Trump's track record, in dealing with dictatorships such as North Korea, I seriously doubt he is well-equipped th deal with this issue.

And we have already seen the mess he has created with the stock market and farmers.

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Tying trade to human rights violations has demonstrated itself to be ineffective, Cuba and Iran are just a couple of examples. Can you name an example where it has been effective?

Anyway, China has been abusing human rights for decades. Not Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Obama, not the Bushes have been able to change that. I don’t expect Trump to either even if he tried. 

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23 minutes ago, azhiker96 said:

Tying trade to human rights violations has demonstrated itself to be ineffective, Cuba and Iran are just a couple of examples. Can you name an example where it has been effective?

Anyway, China has been abusing human rights for decades. Not Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Obama, not the Bushes have been able to change that. I don’t expect Trump to either even if he tried. 

Trump's tariffs and trade wars aren't about human rights, IMHO.  Trump has no real track record which would suggest that he is concerned about human rights in any tangible way, anywhere on the globe. 

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2 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

US companies rushed to do business in China, a Communist country, with OUR government's backing, in part, because it was thought trade would be one way to get China to change.

 That hasn't happened.

 Again, what did OUR government expect?

Thanks to Bill Clinton.  Another reason we don’t want a Democrat in the WH.

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