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Regarding this trade war against China.

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What do you guys think will happen?

I believe Obama said it correctly..when he said "some of those jobs aren't coming back."

Of course prices will rise across all fields (common household goods to yes..even the plastic straws and styrofoam cups).

Lose Lose situation between both nations? Should there be an "unequal balance" between the U.S and China? I mean, is that normative? Or are the costs (after increase) actually the normal value when the balance is achieved?

 

I sound like I'm talking about Jedis.

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We’ve been in a trade war with China for decades. The only difference is now the US is firing back. China has put tariffs on US goods, stolen intellectual property, copied patented items, produced goods with no pollution controls, and shipped controlled substances by the ton. I doubt the current tarrifs will last for long. Those are just a negotiating technique to demonstrate that we are serious  

My biggest concern is how China dumps chemicals into the oceans and the atmosphere we all share. IMO, we should use trade policy to give them an incentive to capture and properly dispose of industrial waste. 

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2 hours ago, azhiker96 said:

My biggest concern is how China dumps chemicals into the oceans and the atmosphere we all share. IMO, we should use trade policy to give them an incentive to capture and properly dispose of industrial waste. 

One thing that I know about the Chinese people (government)..is,

anyone that trusts them (or their contracts), is a fool.

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5 hours ago, azhiker96 said:

We’ve been in a trade war with China for decades. The only difference is now the US is firing back. China has put tariffs on US goods, stolen intellectual property, copied patented items, produced goods with no pollution controls, and shipped controlled substances by the ton. I doubt the current tarrifs will last for long. Those are just a negotiating technique to demonstrate that we are serious  

My biggest concern is how China dumps chemicals into the oceans and the atmosphere we all share. IMO, we should use trade policy to give them an incentive to capture and properly dispose of industrial waste. 

That is your most serious concern about China?

You are not concerned about human rights abuses?

You are not concerned about the way China treats its minority Uyghur population?

You are not concerned about a lack of free press?

Do you think the US and EU, don't dump chemicals?

Good grief!

The EPA says that Roundup doesn't cause cancer.

Outside experts say it does.

Juries are awarding millions of dollars in damages to people harmed by Roundup.

Those chemicals you say China dumps in the ocean, they wouldn't come from American companies with manufacturing operations, in China?

You know, those American companies seeking to avoid paying living wages and adhering by labor safety standards, so they moved to China.

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5 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

That is your most serious concern about China?

You are not concerned about human rights abuses?

You are not concerned about the way China treats its minority Uyghur population?

You are not concerned about a lack of free press?

Do you think the US and EU, don't dump chemicals?

Good grief!

The EPA says that Roundup doesn't cause cancer.

Outside experts say it does.

Juries are awarding millions of dollars in damages to people harmed by Roundup.

Those chemicals you say China dumps in the ocean, they wouldn't come from American companies with manufacturing operations, in China?

You know, those American companies seeking to avoid paying living wages and adhering by labor safety standards, so they moved to China.

I’ve seen huge improvements in the environment in the US due to EPA regulations. Comparing US pollution to what China dumps is comparing a small skin rash to 90% full thickness burn. 

Yes, many companies moved manufacturing offshore or contracted it with foreign companies after clean water and clean air acts. That’s largely because we put no restrictions on imports to address how they were made. I’d like to see that changed. Use one set of pollution standards worldwide. 

Of course the Chinese government is oppressive. The same can be said for many countries. I just don’t know whether I’m supposed to wring my hands about it or embrace the diversity of their culture. 

My more immediate concern is what China dumps into the ocean where we source salmon, tuna, and other seafood. I also care about unfair trade practices which should be a bipartisan concern. 

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10 hours ago, azhiker96 said:

I’ve seen huge improvements in the environment in the US due to EPA regulations. Comparing US pollution to what China dumps is comparing a small skin rash to 90% full thickness burn. 

Yes, many companies moved manufacturing offshore or contracted it with foreign companies after clean water and clean air acts. That’s largely because we put no restrictions on imports to address how they were made. I’d like to see that changed. Use one set of pollution standards worldwide. 

Of course the Chinese government is oppressive. The same can be said for many countries. I just don’t know whether I’m supposed to wring my hands about it or embrace the diversity of their culture. 

My more immediate concern is what China dumps into the ocean where we source salmon, tuna, and other seafood. I also care about unfair trade practices which should be a bipartisan concern. 

Your response indicates to me that you know nothing about the plight of the Uyghurs.

It is estimated that 1 million Uyghurs; men, women and children, have disappeared in Chinese "re-education" camps.

I would hope that we can agree that 1 million people, suffering human rights abuses, is something the world should be concerned about.

If you are concerned about the world's oceans being used as a dumping ground, that means you care about the environment.

You must be tied up in knots since Trump pulled the US out of the Paris Climate Accord.

Given the size of the US population, we are one of the world's biggest polluters.

The unfair trade practices you mentioned have been going on for decades.

American businesses wanted access to Chinese markets.

China is a Communist country.

How did our leaders think this would turn out?

 

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A worldwide set of standards and agreements on pollution, a Paris Accord sort of thing?

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On 5/15/2019 at 6:55 PM, Lil Nel said:

You know, those American companies seeking to avoid paying living wages and adhering by labor safety standards, so they moved to China.

Yea. Someone didn't get the message.

Companies = jobs, can move around. Why do you think Arizona and Texas got such a boom in both businesses and population? Hello Californians!

 

 🙂 Keep on passing legislature to make entrepreneurs and businesses pay up more.

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On 5/16/2019 at 11:59 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

A worldwide set of standards and agreements on pollution, a Paris Accord sort of thing?

Exists on paper.

Enforcement of it is as real as the Raiders winning.

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42 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Exists on paper.

Enforcement of it is as real as the Raiders winning.

Voluntary agreements imply encouragement rather than enforcement to some people, like me.  Wouldn't all international agreements fall into your characterization? Will the North Korea agreement represent à pipe dream too  (if we ever see one)?

Enforcement may be an issue during this presidency. Trump isn't well known for stellar honesty or ethics, getting him to comply with terms of agreements could be challenging. 

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13 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Voluntary agreements imply encouragement rather than enforcement to some people, like me.  Wouldn't all international agreements fall into your characterization? Will the North Korea agreement represent à pipe dream too  (if we ever see one)?

Enforcement may be an issue during this presidency. Trump isn't well known for stellar honesty or ethics, getting him to comply with terms of agreements could be challenging. 

Expecting North Korea to give up their nukes, is like expecting a Democrat politician to state that "everyone" in this nation should be taxed at a flat rate..regardless of income.

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2 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Expecting North Korea to give up their nukes, is like expecting a Democrat politician to state that "everyone" in this nation should be taxed at a flat rate..regardless of income.

What?

Are you sacrificing clarity for attempts at cleverness? Only conservative Trump supporters think that NK is going to give up their nukes. Only Trump thinks that he's going to secure some historic deal and compromise. You are calling them fools?

 

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