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The committee was formed in 2013.

Representative Boustany asked IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, "When was Lois Lerner's hard drive recycled and made irretrievable?"

Commissioner Koskinen answered, "She is was advised in the summer of 2011 that the criminal investigation division had been unable to retrieve emails off her hard drive and it was recycled. I will get you the date..."

Representative Boustany then said, "I'm really disturbed that it took this long for the committee to find out this information buried in the letter we received on Friday."

Commissioner Koskinen said, "There are emails last fall, productions, that referenced her hard drive crash, that no one was paying attention to. They were looking at all of the relevant information."

Representative Boustany wasn't paying attention to the year because even though he had just been told the hard drive crashed and was recycled in 2011 he asked, "Why wasn't this committee notified before a decision was made to completely recycle her hard drive?"

Commissioner Koskinen answered, "The committee was not notified because that decision would have been made three years ago. It's not a decision--none of this had anything to do with the investigation."

Representative Boustany apparently STILL wasn't paying attention because he stated, "It disturbs me that this decision was made internally, without any kind of outside consultation, when this committee was vigorously pursuing information regarding this targeting scandal."

Commissioner Koskinen then said, "I would like to make the record very clear. The decision about that hard drive was made three years ago. There's been no decision made since this investigation started, and certainly since I started, to have anything destroyed."

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I've been listening to all the tech-savvy folks who say there is no way to completely lose these emails.

It is really kind of a funny story - sad but funny.

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It doesn't matter what happened to the hard drive. The point of backups is to protect data in case of a crash. Now Sonasoft has three options as I see it. They can produce the emails from the backup. They can explain how their company failed to backup and protect the emails. Or they can explain how backed up emails are now irretrievable.

I bet our current transparent administration is busy telling Sonasoft exactly what they should say.

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I've been listening to all the tech-savvy folks who say there is no way to completely lose these emails.

It is really kind of a funny story - sad but funny.

I would call it pathetic.

I would also add that although we have a cancelled check made out to the IRS from 1989, they are telling us they can't find how those funds were allocated. They say we owe $19K; we have a cancelled check in that amount....convenient that they can't find out what they did with the money we gave them AND want us to pay it again.

I am not sure how they will act when taxpayers start using the same excuses.

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It doesn't matter what happened to the hard drive. The point of backups is to protect data in case of a crash. Now Sonasoft has three options as I see it. They can produce the emails from the backup. They can explain how their company failed to backup and protect the emails. Or they can explain how backed up emails are now irretrievable.

I bet our current transparent administration is busy telling Sonasoft exactly what they should say.

I hope Sonasoft produces the emails.

The committee didn't event seem to know about archiving email.

The video I posted showed the questioner not understanding the answers at all.

The ones you posted showed they did not believe the answers.

Am I correct that none of the organizations lost their tax exempt status?

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I hope they find the emails and give them to the committee.

Does anyone know how long the company would have to archive emails?

If I were with Sonasoft I would be 100% honest. Who would use their service if they claim to have lost them when they are supposed to have them?

Breathing new life into the IRS scandal: Editorial

... Lerner’s disappearing emails have reawakened credible doubts about the administration’s explanation: that conservative groups were targeted by overzealous local IRS managers, not as part of wider political shenanigans.

Remember: Internal memos also exist showing that left-leaning political groups were scrutinized, and only one — a liberal outfit — was denied tax-exempt status.

None of the dozens of employees interviewed by congressional investigators has testified that the anti-tea party conspiracy existed, and the head of the Republicans’ probe, Rep. Darryl Issa of California, rarely helps his own cause by withholding documents or making outrageously partisan statements.

The IRS even managed to recover 24,000 of Lerner’s missing emails by searching the hard drives of other employees, and turned them over to investigators.

But this scandal has shown unusual staying power, because the idea of the IRS taking aim at the little guy (in this case, grassroots political groups) is a believable story line. And, as with all the best conspiracy theories, it’s not the crime that sticks, but the cover-up. Even if it’s only a perceived cover-up...

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/06/breathing_new_life_into_the_irs_scandal_editorial.html

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If they are properly archived it should be no problem to retrieve them. If they were not properly archived, heads should roll. IMHO, heads should be rolling anyway.

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Hm

government contractors have very specific requirements for archiving emails per federal government mandate. it would be pretty hypocritical if federal agencies don't follow similarly strident practices.

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An opinion:

The Woman at the Center of the IRS 'Scandal' Must Be Clairvoyant

Remember those two years of missing emails the Republicans were going on about? It turns out the former commissioner's computer crashed 16 days before she learned of IRS targeting.

... Lerner, who worked in the service's Washington office, was first alerted that employees in the Cincinnati branch were using "inappropriate criteria" (key words like "tea party") to process the applications of nonprofit groups on June 29, 2011.

This comes from the very Treasury Department IG report that first made this whole business public. See the timeline here.

OK, so that's that. Now, you've been hearing all this stuff lately about her lost emails, right? Her emails from between January 2009 and April 2011 disappeared. Went poof.

It was in early 2010 that the IRS began using the inappropriate criteria. Looks awfully suspicious, doesn't it? She lost all her emails pertaining to the period under examination and then some. Stinks to high heaven. Some have compared the missing two-plus years to the famous 18 1/2-minute gap in the Watergate tapes.

One problem. Her computer crashed on June 13, 2011. It was the following day that she wrote to other IRS personnel to tell them: "My computer crashed yesterday." This date was noted last week by Sander Levin, the ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee.

That was when all those emails disappeared on her. It happened 16 days before she even knew about the problem in the Cincinnati office.

So how likely is it that she deleted those emails in order to prevent House investigators from being able to learn anything about the "scandal"? Considering that she didn't know about the problem yet, I'd say bloody unlikely.

... In other words, this is just another ridiculous allegation in a parade of them. Admittedly, all of these revelations have looked dubious at first glance. But all of them have fizzled upon serious examination. It wasn't just groups on the right that were targeted. The IRS head who visited the White House 155 times or whatever it was turns out to have gone to the Old Executive Office Building, not the White House, most of those times, and largely to talk about the IRS' role in crafting and implementing Obamacare. And so on....

... Unless Lois Lerner is a clairvoyant, the idea that she deleted emails on June 13 to cover up behavior she didn't even learn about until June 29 is simply preposterous...

... Conservatives are the people who think government can't do anything right. That is exactly the situation we have here. IRS employees in Cincinnati really screwed up the processing of applications. The people in the charge of them in Washington were to some degree asleep. Computers crashed and emails were lost.

As far as conservatives are concerned, that's what government does all the time.To conservatives, that usually explains a lot. But here of course they thought they had a chance to advance the more delectably sinister theory that Obama is out to destroy his political enemies...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/23/the-woman-at-the-center-of-the-irs-scandal-must-be-clairvoyant.html

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An opinion:

I believe that the entire investigation is an overblown faux scandal being used by the Republicans for political purposes.

Having said that, I find it hard to believe that the IRS does not utilize some of the same resources required for federal contractors relative to their emails. For most contracted employees, they have NO OPTION relative to the frequency or content of the email backup, the process occurs regardless of their preferences. Does this report intimate that Ms. Lerner was individually responsible for backing up her emails rather than the IRS having control over that?

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I believe that the entire investigation is an overblown faux scandal being used by the Republicans for political purposes.

Having said that, I find it hard to believe that the IRS does not utilize some of the same resources required for federal contractors relative to their emails. For most contracted employees, they have NO OPTION relative to the frequency or content of the email backup, the process occurs regardless of their preferences. Does this report intimate that Ms. Lerner was individually responsible for backing up her emails rather than the IRS having control over that?

I hope not. If the reporting that the Sonasoft corporation was responsible for the archiving during the time the e-mails were "lost' they should be able to provide them now.

I hope that is the case and the company will do just that.

Many thousands were found on the hard drives of people she sent email to.

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