Jump to content
Tweety Tweety (New Member) New Member

"I Am Grizzly..Hear Me Growl"

Politics   (1,095 Views 13 Comments)
6 Followers; 49,448 Visitors; 27,759 Posts
If you find this topic helpful leave a comment.
advertisement

what kind of image are they hoping to exude?

so far, it seems all too nonsensical to me.

whatever.:rolleyes:

leslie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

it makes perfect sense to me as i'm a "small government" advocate.

"but a review of their positions suggests that a grizzly’s first priority is to protect her cubs by keeping government the heck out of their lives." . . . . .“bureaucrats and politicians in washington think they should decide what kind of lightbulb we use, what kind of toilets we flush, what kind of car we drive…they’ll buy your teenage daughter an abortion, but they won’t let her buy a sugary soda in a school’s vending machine.”

"most important, say the grizzlies—and on this they are generally in tune with conservatives—is the need for a serious dose of fiscal responsibility, managed by people with an old-fashioned sense of personal probity."

fiscal responsibility - yes!! :up:

"pro--business, low-tax, limited--government conservative"

"she holds herself out as a paragon of fiscal responsibility (never mind that she and her husband have failed to pay their taxes on time in each of the past five years)." ummmm, neither have we . . . . we've filed extensions for the last 3 years. but we pay our taxes by the deadline. sometimes, especially if you have a small business, you need some extra time.

"fundamentally, the mama-grizzly phenomenon is not really a movement or even a political term that represents a fully coherent set of ideas. it’s mostly a marketing tool, meant to draw attention to americans’ broad dissatisfaction with the way things are. fair enough. many people are dissatisfied, and they want to vent and they want to change washington. but in the wild, real mama grizzlies are known to be aggressive, irrational, and mean. the issues facing the country are complex, and bears are not."

i'll betcha the women involved in now are not all on the exact same page either.

 

women don't all think alike - even women in a political movement. that drives me crazy when people de-legitimize a group because the people in the group are not exactly the same. :rolleyes:

 

and really, this term "mama grizzly" is not meant to be taken as a literal comparison with a real mama bear. really. i promise.

 

 

steph

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree Leslie. It makes as much sense as when many of my female friends decided they were "Divas" a few years ago. I guess some folks find it fun to play pretend. I'd rather be a pirate but not a thin, desperate Somali pirate. I'd rather be a fun "Hook" kind of pirate but without the "boo box".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is just like ALL politics . . . they are looking for an image to make a point.

It isn't the first time - it won't be the last.

steph

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
it makes perfect sense to me as i'm a "small government" advocate.

"but a review of their positions suggests that a grizzly's first priority is to protect her cubs by keeping government the heck out of their lives." . . . . ."bureaucrats and politicians in washington think they should decide what kind of lightbulb we use, what kind of toilets we flush, what kind of car we drive...they'll buy your teenage daughter an abortion, but they won't let her buy a sugary soda in a school's vending machine."

steph

[/b]

thank you!!! that's what i've been trying to get across for a couple of years now.......all neatly wrapped up in one single well-worded paragraph. :yeah::bowingpur:yelclap::anpom::tku:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
advertisement

I googled "political imagery" . . . . it is pretty darn normal. This first link is a research paper:

The power of the political image

"The power of the political image"

Images, as literal or metaphorical idols, have consistently been accused of having enormous power over human minds, as in Plato's parable of the cave. Contemporary politics are often characterised as 'image politics', in which style matters more than substance, and personalities more than policies. Yet, what are the political images under whose sway electorates are said to be held? How can images be theorised in a way that does not assume the power they allegedly have (in contrast, for example, to Baudrillard)?

The paper will begin by distinguishing visual political pictures from non-visual political images through a brief discussion of Sontag's essay on the Abu Ghraib photographs. It then explores conceptions of political images by scholars of political marketing (such as Scammel), to relate them to marketing notions of branding (Klein). Such connections generally trigger alarm that electorates are thus subject to the persuasive power of marketing, rendered passive by their rhetorical force. However, considerations from contemporary neuroscience about thinking in images rather than or as well as in language (Antonio Damasio) can dispel some of the concerns about the assumed passivity of citizens in the face of political images. The paper closes with an example of a failed political image (John Major's image of Englishness) to demonstrate not only that such images frequently do not have much power, but also that critical political thinking can be conducted by means of contesting (in this case, multicultural) images.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
it makes perfect sense to me as i'm a "small government" advocate.

"but a review of their positions suggests that a grizzly's first priority is to protect her cubs by keeping government the heck out of their lives." . . . . ."bureaucrats and politicians in washington think they should decide what kind of lightbulb we use, what kind of toilets we flush, what kind of car we drive...they'll buy your teenage daughter an abortion, but they won't let her buy a sugary soda in a school's vending machine."

"most important, say the grizzlies--and on this they are generally in tune with conservatives--is the need for a serious dose of fiscal responsibility, managed by people with an old-fashioned sense of personal probity."

fiscal responsibility - yes!! :up:

"pro--business, low-tax, limited--government conservative"

"she holds herself out as a paragon of fiscal responsibility (never mind that she and her husband have failed to pay their taxes on time in each of the past five years)." ummmm, neither have we . . . . we've filed extensions for the last 3 years. but we pay our taxes by the deadline. sometimes, especially if you have a small business, you need some extra time.

"fundamentally, the mama-grizzly phenomenon is not really a movement or even a political term that represents a fully coherent set of ideas. it's mostly a marketing tool, meant to draw attention to americans' broad dissatisfaction with the way things are. fair enough. many people are dissatisfied, and they want to vent and they want to change washington. but in the wild, real mama grizzlies are known to be aggressive, irrational, and mean. the issues facing the country are complex, and bears are not."

i'll betcha the women involved in now are not all on the exact same page either.

women don't all think alike - even women in a political movement. that drives me crazy when people de-legitimize a group because the people in the group are not exactly the same. :rolleyes:

and really, this term "mama grizzly" is not meant to be taken as a literal comparison with a real mama bear. really. i promise.

steph

they'll buy your teenage daughter an abortion. not true! - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/subjects/abortion/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
they'll buy your teenage daughter an abortion. not true! - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/subjects/abortion/

i read the whole thing - didn't see anything that specifically addressed teens going for an abortion - and there was a controversy regarding a school nurse taking a student for an abortion and no parental notification (thread linked below).

so, school's are involved . .. the girl probably gets medi-cal for the abortion . . . ? i'm not sure how that works.

school nurse sues over being fired for taking student for pregnancy test and abortifa - nursing for nurses

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

abortion laws for teens by state | about.com

wikipedia

in the united states, most states typically require one of two types of parental involvement- consent and/or notification. as of september 2008, 35 states required some type of parental involvement in a minor's decision to have an abortion- 22 states require one or both parents to consent to the procedure, 11 require one or both parents be notified and 2 require both consent and notification before an elective abortion can occur.

hyde amendment | about.com

medicaid can only pay for abortions under the following circumstances:

(1) if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or

(2) in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Mama Grizzly = todays charlatan.

From the article;

ANNOY LIBERAL. WORK HARD & PAY YOUR OWN BILLS

 

I identify as a socialist, I do work hard and pay my own bills thank you very much. How condescending can you get? Still, there will be idiots willing to vote for this I suppose.

Edited by sirI

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Any real arguments for why these women deserve a vote is welcome. :)

Because it's a free country and every citizen of legal age is entitled to one, even those with whom you disagree.

BTW, no one I know begrudges medical care to those in need. We may disagree on how it should be funded, though. In my thinking, taking money from individuals who can barely provide for their own families and then squandering it on wasteful, inefficient government programs is evil.

Edited by sirI

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
×