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6 hours ago, luv2 said:

Do you really want the tax to increase? 

As I said before I'm ok with it if it means I don't have to pay high health care premiums.  

And I don't feel the same venom you do over her claim to be part Native American. She is part native American per DNA testing.  End of story.  I think she'd do a better job than most in running this country.

I wonder why you have such disdain for the Democratic candidates. You seem to focus on all the negative things.  I'd like to hear more about who you like and want to support, and why.

 

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12 hours ago, luv2 said:

Yes, the very fact she lied about her race is huge when there are multitudes of people that face discrimination every second of every day. She knew it was a lie and did not stop there; she perpetuated this lie and even accepted a position at Harvard University. A position that should have gone to a real minority. However, what makes me uncomfortable is she came out as a typical politician and said after "deep reflection," how did she reflect when she was outed.

I think she explained it as she was re-telling what she was told.  I actually can relate.  All my life I was told my grandmother was Native American Cherokee. I always said when people mentioned how dark I was that it was "my native American blood".  However, I never made any claims to be such as I didn't know they held any advantage.  My grandfather was white and was the shame of the family for marrying her and my dad didn't claim it either.  

I was well into my 50's when we had DNA tests and my sister tracked the truth down that my grandmother was raised on a reservation but was adopted.  My DNA shows me all European, particularly Scandinavian and English.  Which is weird because my mother was born and raised in Germany.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I think she explained it as she was re-telling what she was told.  I actually can relate.  All my life I was told my grandmother was Native American Cherokee. I always said when people mentioned how dark I was that it was "my native American blood".  However, I never made any claims to be such as I didn't know they held any advantage.  My grandfather was white and was the shame of the family for marrying her and my dad didn't claim it either.  

I was well into my 50's when we had DNA tests and my sister tracked the truth down that my grandmother was raised on a reservation but was adopted.  My DNA shows me all European, particularly Scandinavian and English.  Which is weird because my mother was born and raised in Germany.

 

 

Based on high cheekbones?

 

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48 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

As I said before I'm ok with it if it means I don't have to pay high health care premiums.  

And I don't feel the same venom you do over her claim to be part Native American. She is part native American per DNA testing.  End of story.  I think she'd do a better job than most in running this country.

I wonder why you have such disdain for the Democratic candidates. You seem to focus on all the negative things.  I'd like to hear more about who you like and want to support, and why.

 

Even if the government begin to regulate the BIG PHARMA companies? Senator Elizabeth Warran has many speaking points with no substance. I do not have a disdain for the democratic candidates I am pointing out their blind spot. I am still an undecided  voter.

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16 hours ago, luv2 said:

Yes, the very fact she lied about her race is huge when there are multitudes of people that face discrimination every second of every day. She knew it was a lie and did not stop there; she perpetuated this lie and even accepted a position at Harvard University. A position that should have gone to a real minority. However, what makes me uncomfortable is she came out as a typical politician and said after "deep reflection," how did she reflect when she was outed.

Thank you for agreeing with me on how is she going to pay for her plan without increasing the taxes. What is she going to cut? Senator Elizabeth Warran is a "speaking point" candidate. There is no real depth once you start to look into her "speaking point " because she knows she can not state the only way my plan works is by increasing taxes.

I'm not sure where you're getting that she knowingly lied about her family's genealogy stories.  Mine, like many families had stories of native American ancestors, as it turns out I'm almost completely Scottish, no native American, my wife's family had come to believe they had multiple native American ancestors, at turns out they are almost completely Norwegian and Irish, no Native American blood at all.

She reported on an employee questionnaire that she understood her genealogy to include some amount of Native American heritage after she got a job at Harvard.

She definitely spoke without having all the facts, although back then there was no 23-and-me, this sort of thing was based mainly on family lore.

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10 hours ago, luv2 said:

Do you really want the tax to increase? 

Do I want to have my taxes increase by $18k in exchange for not having to pay $21k in health insurance, of course I do.  (And that cost savings reflects the most conservative of the estimates out there).

I get that the semantics of "taxes" vs "premiums" are big deal to some, but I'm not willing to pay thousands more a year to make a statement about words I dislike.

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People do understand that medicare isn't a free program don't they?  That there are premiums and high have deductibles and they don't cover everything, just like regular insurance, such that many people have to have supplemental insurance.

People on disability have it deducted from the disability checks, retired people on Social Security pay premiums. Working people who hit 65 pay premiums.   I wonder what us younger people with incomes are going to pay.  I wonder what the burden will be on young people.   I'm already paying into it on top of insurance.  I'm skeptical that when my taxes go up to pay for the program that those payments will go away and I wonder what my premium will be.   

Will medicare payments go up for some to pay for all?

I also wonder what my taxes as a not-poor or lower income but solidly single middle class person will be. 

She needs to answer these questions before I get on her bandwagon.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Trump Tax cuts disappear and revert to what I was paying previously.  That wouldn't bother me.  But as one with a high tax burden as a not-poor middle class person without kids, I really don't want to pay too much more in taxes.

Also, it should be said, I'm not a troll and definitely believe in a universal healthcare that covers us all.   I don't like the current system.  I have a friend with a GoFundMe account to help pay $7,000 co-pay.  It's sad that a person that has worked so hard, paid taxes, paid into medicare, paid insurance premiums is resorting to this.  Also have another friend on disability that needs special orthopedic shoes for her multiple sceloris at $250 apiece that medicare doesn't cover and has a GoFundMe up for that.

  Just give me an honest talk about it.  I think they know an honest talk will lose votes.

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7 hours ago, luv2 said:

Based on high cheekbones?

 

I'm only saying what she said the family lore she hear growing up was and it's plausible explanation.  That she might have held on to it, taken advantage of it and lied about for advancement is for people to judge.

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6 hours ago, Tweety said:

People do understand that medicare isn't a free program don't they?  That there are premiums and high have deductibles and they don't cover everything, just like regular insurance, such that many people have to have supplemental insurance.

People on disability have it deducted from the disability checks, retired people on Social Security pay premiums. Working people who hit 65 pay premiums.   I wonder what us younger people with incomes are going to pay.  I wonder what the burden will be on young people.   I'm already paying into it on top of insurance.  I'm skeptical that when my taxes go up to pay for the program that those payments will go away and I wonder what my premium will be.   

Will medicare payments go up for some to pay for all?

I also wonder what my taxes as a not-poor or lower income but solidly single middle class person will be. 

She needs to answer these questions before I get on her bandwagon.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Trump Tax cuts disappear and revert to what I was paying previously.  That wouldn't bother me.  But as one with a high tax burden as a not-poor middle class person without kids, I really don't want to pay too much more in taxes.

Also, it should be said, I'm not a troll and definitely believe in a universal healthcare that covers us all.   I don't like the current system.  I have a friend with a GoFundMe account to help pay $7,000 co-pay.  It's sad that a person that has worked so hard, paid taxes, paid into medicare, paid insurance premiums is resorting to this.  Also have another friend on disability that needs special orthopedic shoes for her multiple sceloris at $250 apiece that medicare doesn't cover and has a GoFundMe up for that.

  Just give me an honest talk about it.  I think they know an honest talk will lose votes.

Very valid points. People do not in Medicare that patient still pay. 

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6 hours ago, Tweety said:

I'm only saying what she said the family lore she hear growing up was and it's plausible explanation.  That she might have held on to it, taken advantage of it and lied about for advancement is for people to judge.

You are probably right. However, I was always taught never try to gain the system work hard and do the right thing. Some people need help.  Contribute if you are able. My family has a motto as long God gives me health I can always build my wealth. It does not matter where you go to school, and it matters what you do with the degree. She gained the system, in my opinion, and took the short cut. 

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The Boston Globe did an extensive investigation into Elizabeth Warren's native heritage and concluded it did not influence her career. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

So for me the matter is settled. If some want to continue to claim she "gained the system" then I would like to see credible sources, not just video clips. Sean Hannity is not a credible source. He is a Trump toadie, as evidenced by his appearances at campaign events. 

As to Medicare for All, there is no chance that is going to come about anytime soon. For profit entities have too much influence, for now. 

I do like Warren's views on clean energy, reducing corruption in Washington, and rebuilding the middle class. 

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