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  1. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //" that I have never ever heard of in ten plus years as a vet tech. '// i am not even slightly surprised. The bulk of the dog world does NOT turn to science or research, to discover things,but instead read blogs with no footnotes. Most humans think, if a dog reacts persitently to unknown humans for the bulk of his life, or if a dog reacts persistently for the bulk of his life to unkknown dogs, that he was "raised wrong" yet, these dogs have visible differences in their brains, as well as neurobiological abnormalities in their bloodstreams. please read REPLY #93 and several others, Heck, pets2ppl, maybe you should take a lil while, and actually read this thread...??? Like many human neurobiological disorders, it is not evident at birth. (autism, some forms of schizophrenia, some forms of sociopathy) Prior to MRIs of the humans, their parents were often told, "you raised the child wrong." it's kinda like that with dogs. Dog owners are told, "you raised it wrong" when, the dog has an abnormal amydala, never ever found in 'normal' dogs. Even common sense should cause us to question the myth that abuse cause persistent lifelong patterns of innappropriate aggression in dogs------------please Please read the reply #2 on page one, too., and reeeally think that one over, too. Please read reply #93. Pages 8 through 10 might interest you. well, tons of posts, all through the thread, on two most dangerous, most devastating disorders in dogs, imo. Aggression in dogs is THE NUMBER ONE REASON for voluntary euthanasia in vets offices (per the nat'l vet association). MOre than cancer, more than car accidents, more than pain, ior illness, the #1 reason humans bring in dogs for voluntary euthanasia, is aggression.
  2. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //" disagree with this....a pet at the shelter, especially within the limited time frame they are often given before they are euthanized and under the stressful circumstances they are in, is a VERY difficult time to determine a pets temperment."// I have answered this one a few times, too, brb. here are few posts, i am just now copying and pasting. Added bold face new. //"I've seem some rescues with this, but, often rescues are picked out AS ADULTS, so such dogs are avoided, (if not put down)as even a layman or dog novice might avoid such dogs. It's hard to miss spotting either disorder in the adult dog, when you reach for it, and it ducks or growls, or bites! Or, when you walk the dog down the aisle, the dog lunges viscously at the other dogs, kinda hard to miss noticing all that. but, some humans see 'shy' dogs as charming, and have no clue what shyness can escalate to, and do choose shy dogs on purpose, cuz they don't know, just being nice to the dog won't change it's neurobiology"// //"A few times on this thread, i have recommended having the dog pound dog temperment tested, or contact local rescues or orgs to find someone who can temp test a dog. Or hire or ask a trainer who is knowledgable on how to temp test, or an animal behaviorist. Some vets can do this, too, and possibly could be hired to do so.(not sure about the vets)"// //"ONe of the main things in your post i disagree with, is, you seem unaware that the two most common disorders amongst dogs (dog pound dogs, or dogs you pay for) include the shy dog, ("fear-aggressive" dogs, who react to most unknown humans) and the dog-aggressive dog, (reacts to most unknown dogs). These are recessive genes, the parents are almost always 'normal' dogs. Best way to avoid taking home a dog with either disorder, is to adopt an adult dog. (over 14 mos old, as either disorder is usually very obvious by then)"// //"Many many times, i have taken pains to try to educate anyone who might be reading along, to be aware, that the two most difficult types of dogs to live with (the shy dog, and the dog-aggressive dog) can not be detected in the litter box. i state several times, the best way to AVOID those issues, is choose an adult dog over 14 mos old. Most humans still falsely believe these dogs were "raised wrong", since it is not evident at birth, and most dog buyers remain unaware, it is a neurobiological disorder. These are not "easy" dogs, they are the hardest of all dogs, imo. and buying a puppy will NOT NOT NOT prevent owning such a dog." I am trying so hard to prevent people from ending up with a dog with either the "fear-aggressive" disorder, or the "dog-aggressive" disorder, by trying to educate anyone reading along, that you can NOT detect either of these difficult disorders in the litter box, no matter how much you are spending on the dog.// //For people who need a definite type of temperament in their pet, and wish to avoid the two most common behavioral disorders in dogs, choosing a PUPPY is your LEAST reliable way to go.// //And like i said, it is only one or two of a litter, and most breeders, if you call them up when your pup is 9 months old, and report, "Ey, my pup is now reacting to most unknown dogs." or, "Ey, my pup is now beginning to growl at unknonw humans or bite unknown humans now" the breeder will say what most everyone thinks is true "well, you raised it wrong." It is a rare, rare breeder who realizes these dogs DO have a neurobiological disorder, visible on MRIs of the dog's brain.// //"This problem in dogs is Very hard to not notice, Very hard to miss seeing!!! It causes much anguish to owners who have such dogs, as they are all told "you raised it wrong!" and most owners, do reflect back, and usually come up with "The Story" of why their dog is that way...even though all their other dogs, raised alongside the shydog, or the DA dog, all were raised in same way by same human and all their other dogs are 'normal'. Still, most humans with either type of dog, will offer "The Story" of why their dog is not right. (some trauma, some neglect, some event, that the human feels "caused" the behavior). These dogs are often the FIRST dogs chosen for euthanasia in pounds, but, as puppies, they can not be spotted, and are sold."// also, please read reply #93 here: https://allnurses-breakroom.com/pets-animals/dont-buy-dog-813777-page10.html wayyyyyyyyy easier to just copy and paste at this stage of the thread!!!:roflmao:
  3. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    LOVED this remark: //"Few owners see themselves as the "problem". Most owners want a great dog...few are willing to put the work into selecting and training one. People do more research on a car that they might keep for three years then on a dog that may live with them for 10-15 years."//
  4. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    please read REPLY#99 HERE: https://allnurses-breakroom.com/pets-animals/dont-buy-dog-813777-page10.html
  5. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    I have previously addressed all these remarks, too, hold on, i'll scroll back to refind that post. brb
  6. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //"When you try to get people to never purchase a dog ever, you will meet resistance and lose your audience, thus losing a chance to connect with that person and many others through that person."// I have replied to this already, too, on earlier pages. I am not against using shock value to shake up mass ignorance in the general population of humans. I think sometimes, when faced, with rampant, mass ignorance about "akc paper = superior dog" or lack of even a shred of understanding on the levels of the crisis we face, with 4 to 6 million (yes, that's right, MILLION) dogs being put to death, i am not above using shock value. got you here to this thread, didn't it? :roflmao: //"..find out why they want a pet in the first place....hunting, protection, companion? When you find out what they want and talk to them about etical breeders, then you mention shelters or rescues"// uhm you apparently have not been reading this thread regularly. Plus, i am online, posting for many people, not at the counter of dog store. I have been trying to educate many people here, scroll back!! rofl. I have addressed, many times, how, despite dozens of people who mistakenly think only akc dogs can be service dogs, working dogs, etc, that the average person the overwhelming majority of those wanting a dog are looking for a pet. I have discussed the other needs, many many times. This thread is now kinda just going in circles, as new people arrive and join in on page 12.... but, it's great to be possibly helping so many people even consider if there really is any value to an AKC paper, how dog overpopulation IS at CRISIS levels, and how shelter dogs are great option for many dozens of reasons i have listed, and relisted...
  7. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    yes, see, i was replying as i went, and your post was last, so sorry bout that, and i skipped many sentences to reply to you. and i have now retyped some thoughts on the complaints about shelters have rules (as do all of the ethical breeders) It should be above this here post. i feel shy dogs and dog-aggressive dogs, are ONE GREAT REASON to adopt ADULT dogs that no one seems to admit is valid great reason to avoid taking home a puppy, i find the topics at hand very interesting, about shy dogs, and i feel the people railing about clicker training deserve an answer too. some of us really ARE interested in training dogs, and in clicker training, and i am still waiting for even one (1) person to acknowledge, that the risk of taking home the MOST difficult, most dangerous dog of all, either the dog-aggressive dog,or the shy/"fear-aggressive" is far higher when one chooses a puppy........... No matter how much you paid for that puppy, the risk of not realizing that fancy AKC pup might later manifest either of the two most difficult, most dangerous disorders we know of. than it is if you choose an ADULT dog. but, i smile, thinking, even if they can not reply, "wow, that makes sense! My aunt/neighbor/boyfriend had a dog that tried to fight with unknown dogs, or had a dog that bit humans who leaned over the dog, and i sure do NOT want that kind of problem, guess i WILL go for an adult dog next time!" even if it is never ever admitted, as one GRRRRRRRRREAT reason to choose adult dogs, i smile and imagine, someone still could be absorbing the idea.
  8. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    THIS is last time i am answering this, i will remember the post number, and from now on, just refer people to post #wahtever. Shelter rules I feel that some rules on some shelters are excessive in some situations. Sometimes, there is a good reason behind the rule, that the human does not understand. I think most people seem unaware, if they approach in respectful way, the rules can be negotiated out at times, via the shelter manager or other personnel, IF DONE RESPECTFULLY. I myself, do not always follow every rule i hear of, in every situation. Earlier on thread, someone without a fence, but did not need a fence, was upset he could not adopt. IN that case, i'd just say i had a fence. I do not follow every rule i hear. but, that's just me. I have never ever heard of *some* of the extreme rules some here are 'claiming' their shelter does, such as not adopt to children. I have heard of individual dogs labelled as going only to a "child free home", but, never ever heard of an entire shelter doing that with ALL their dogs. Some of the stuff being thrown at me, seems extreme and false. Another one i got, was they said their shelter only adopted out to people who were home all day.:roflmao: again, never heard of it. Might be a certain dog here or there, but, an entire shelter saying ALL their dogs go only to homes of unemployed people? never heard of it. Honestly, i haven't even carefully read all of the various complaints, as usually, the person posting has gone extreme and beyond, in their claims. I can not even recall all the bizzarre things people are claiming the shelters do. so, yeah, some of the stuff being thrown at me, by various people, seems bogus. for real, scroll back. some are posting actual valid real complaints that i know to be true of some shelters, but, a lotta bogus stuff being added in. Still, despite the fact, that some shelters have rules that can not be met by everyone, either negotiate it out RESPECTFULLY, or work around it. I am not against writing RESPECTFULLY written letters to various orgs about their rules, if you feel the rules are unjust. Petfinders almost ALWAYS offers more than one shelter in your area, if you can't get a dog from one, try another shelter. For real, put in your zip code here, and see how MANY various shelters pop up: Pet adoption: Want a dog or cat? Adopt a pet on Petfinder Ethical breeders ALWAYS have list of rules that have to be met to get one of their dogs, too, yet, no one seems to mind that. Odd. Backyard breeders do NOT have any rules at all, or, only a very few rules. anyway, still, despite there being rules--------------------------, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE THRILLED TO BITS WITH THE DOGS THEY GOT FROM SHELTERS.
  9. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //". My main question and interest had to do with whether or not you agreed that shelters could adjust their requirements so that more pets could get homes"// I have answered that one, like 5 times now, and i have told you i have already answered that one, many many times on this same exact thread, as i explained back in the bottom of post #106. It is difficult to communicate via written word, with someone who admits they are not much into reading. I will try to retype it all again.
  10. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    i'm behind, like i said. You know me, i always do respond. but, like i said, i am behind. I am typing as fast as i can, sorry you are waiting!!:lol2: also, i am trying to make short posts, instead of one long post to all of this stuff, cuz someone here posted she can't read long posts.
  11. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //"Wow, I explain that I feel that all breeders are not the base of all that is evil "// I had not discussed evil in this thread, but, now that you bring it up, it probably is something like evil to add dogs for no rational reason to a nation suffering from a severe crisis of dog overpopulation....or, it could be ignorance, instead of evil. hard to say. I have stated multiple times. (lately, in almost EVERY post,) that there ARE ethical breeders working on creating a healthier dog free of illness or nasty genes. Not all breeder are unethical, but, most people seeking pets should evaluate if their reasons for supporting backyard breeders is rational. The vast overwhelming bulk of AKC registrations---80%---- are handed out to BYB, not the top shelf breeders. Most people should leanr more about the AKC, and reconsider if buying a dog proven to be from a small gene pool, is really rational, when exact same dog is being put down in the dog pound.
  12. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //"Actually, I do use clicker training"// i knew you would say that!! :roflmao: Evne before you did!! As i was typing about clicker training works for all dogs, i KNEW you'd say "Yeah, i use a clicker" If you do use a clicker----------- why did you say "There is no method that works for every dog?" clicker trainers know it does work on any dog at all. Even blind dogs, even deaf dogs. Evne dogs who can't walk. Old dogs, baby dogs, whatever. Dogs who have no "akc papers" can be clicker trained. Service dogs. Working dogs. Any dog can be clicker trained. (or, maybe i have you mixed up with someone else) If you are having any trouble clicker training any behavior, msg me, i can help, even via online!!
  13. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //" However as a realist I know that they are not for everyone"// (apparently referring to shelter dogs) This implies there is "something wrong" with shelter dogs. In the vast bulk of cases, the dogs in dog pounds, ARE WONDERFUL AWESOME DOGS!!! but are victims of the severe dog overpopulation epidemic CRISIS, are there because we have too many dogs. Shelter dogs can be great pets for everyone. but, i'll readily agree, not eveyrone should have a dog. Especially not a shy dog or dog-aggressive dog, which can NOT be detected in a litter box, no matter how much cash you are spending on the puppy. wayyyyyyyyyyy easier to spot such a dog as an adult in the pound, than it is to cross your fingers when buying a mystery puppy. especially cute to precede //"shelter dogs are not for everyone"// with //" I really don't have a stigma against shelter dogs"//:roflmao: i dunno, seems like maybe you do. I do think, the stigma is irrational, not fact based, and largely based on anecedotal stories, not the real life fact that millions of people are thrilled to bits with their real life shelter dogs.
  14. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    //" You quoted what I had put in a post, but the remarks you put after my words had nothing to do with anything I have said"// I knew this was coming, and have pre-apologized twice, both in FIRST line of the post, as well as here. in whole other post, so it could be easily seen, again, i am sorry, i got blurry as to which person i was replying TO. sorry sorry sorry. //"Let's just skip all the mixed up junk and agree to disagree about whether or not pets should be purchased from breeders."// Other than mixing up a few people who are sometimes posting similar ideas, i do not see where anything i posted is "mixed up". You are free to skip that angle of the discussion, and hold the views you have now. Like someone said, getting people to consider new ideas, is hard to do with humans. I am free to encourage others to evaluate if their reason to support a backyard breeder, or prefer a dog "with papers" is even slightly rooted in anything rational. again, i have stated multiple times, there can be a rational reason to breed a dog, there can be a rational reason to buy a dog, but, the average person seeking a pet dog, In the midst of the dog overpopulation crisis, should evaluate if their reason to support a backyard breeder is rational. It's probably NOT a rational reason.
  15. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    Way behind, but, clicker training does work on all dogs, yes, even deaf dogs, only a flashlight is substituted. I have a pal who has multiple deaf doxies, (from backyard breeders who did not know what they were doing, and bred 2 merles) who are all clicker trained. She has TONS of videos of her clicker training her deaf doxies all over youtube, happy to post 'em. She herself calls it clicker training, EXACT SAME CONCEPT. One does not have to use an actual clicker---one gal i know uses a loud ink pen, a deaf dog can be CLICKER TRAINED with a flashlight, it is the METHOD, the CONCEPT, of clicker training which does work for all dogs. Again, if you are having trouble clicker training a specific behavior, msg me, or post it here: Dog Trick Academy - Fresh Dog Tricks Ideas for Dog Owners gotta go, see ya later. CLICKER TRAINING DOES WORK ON ALL DOGS, it is the METHOD, which IS eggggzactly the same. The marker can vary, but, YES, there IS a METHOD which does work on all dogs.
  16. somenurse

    Interesting article about God

    I do think there are ideas and beliefs well worth questioning, (but rarely are questioned) and hope we all try to avoid anything that smacks of "sneering". I am glad my views are not seen as "contemptous of a person who believes in a higher power", etc. I can much admire a person who does not agree with me. I can and do love many theists. I was raised by two awesome theists, and have many theist siblings and relatives. It is the idea i disagree with, not the value of the person themself.
  17. somenurse

    In retrospect do you support the Iraq war?

    sorry for offtopic derail, bu,t i wish the person who HAS the mailbox, could get alerts "your mailbox is full", but, they don't, only the person trying to send msg can know the other person has a maibox too full. sorry for derail, is good discussion.
  18. somenurse

    Interesting article about God

    wow, thank you, this never happens to me. It takes a big person to say that. In your defense, after decades of having similar discussions with others about gods, it is almost 100% guaranteed, the person does feel insulted if another doesn't agree about gods. Is nothing wrong with you at all, it is very common thing. we atheists get disagreed with, most every time we open our mouths, ha ha! Be glad you are not an atheist!
  19. somenurse

    Interesting article about God

    I also believe in love!! It is a choice to feel sunsets, and any "good" stuff, as signs of a god. It is not the same thing as seeing an actual god. The god is still invisible. also, i appreciate that you don't take umbrage over a 'word'. I rather think, if one replies to point out where i am flawed in my idea or logic, or can explain to me where i got something wrong in a point i was making, is more rational response than to feel indignant over having someone point out that the god they speak of as their "friend", is, in fact, invisible.
  20. somenurse

    Interesting article about God

    haven't listened to this song yet, but, i tend to love music!! even religious music!! Yes, i am very familiar with the concept, "we'll understand later" as a way to dismiss very rational questions. It is a popular response, imo. It might be hard to locate even one christian, who has not heard that concept. "if you don't understand, you will understand later." i have much to say about if that is a good answer, or how they know this, but, it would not match most people's ideas, and thus, could be seen as rude, to even suggest this is just a way to suppress critical thinking skills, or questioning and the use of logic. We have to agree, or the one who doesn't, could be seen as rude.
  21. somenurse

    Interesting article about God

    I did not realize an individual's POV was not what threads were about. There seems to be others posting their own individual POV (such as the rabbi) and those POV are welcomed, so your opinion that my POV is less worthy or less logical than his, makes no sense to me. I did discuss his POV, many times, too, not just my own. I can understand why some religious people do not like to think of gods as an invisible friend, yet, it is true. I'd call it an invisible diety, but, i do not believe in deities, and tewdles herself says she views her god as a "friend", and, in fact, so far as i know, tewdles can not directly see her friend there, so, it is, in fact, an invisible friend. If that brings to mind things you feel are illogical, that is worth discussing, if you want to discuss things that seem childish or illogical from your POV. In your 'tree' analogy, you are breaking down an item into parts, and listing the parts, as if that is what i did. Nope, i took tewdle's own words, and added the word "invisible". Which is true. The choice to feel insulted that i pointed out gods are invisible, that IS a choice you can make to feel umbrage over that, but, maybe not a rational choice to make. Btw, the bible has 3 gods, not one. I know, i know, christians say "OH, it's just 3 parts of one god", but, each of the 3 biblegods has it's own name, it's own distinct personality, and the 3 parts talk about each other as separate entities, can be simultaneously present as two entities, and even talk TO each other. It is debatable if there is really only one god in that book. Seems like 3 gods to me. but, whatever. The number of gods in the bible, are not my main concern with that book. I do not see where i have been rude. I have a different point of view. That is not the same thing as being rude. I also do not see questioning the morality of a god in a book or an article, the same thing as criticizing a member of AN. so far as i know, the gods of the bible are not members of AN. I do not necessarily agree, that ideas all have to match, to be seen as "respectful" discussion. I think questioning bible stories is a healthy thing to do, wish more people did, really. I did not realize, when you publicly posted this topic for discussion, that only those who agreed that whether or not the comets hit the earth said anything about the gods plans or feelings about humans would be welcomed.
  22. somenurse

    Raspberry ketones

    i agree with Spidey's Mom, above. I think it is a scam. Billions, literal actual billions are made each and every year, selling stuff to make one lose weight, increase genital size, grow hair, melt cellulite, etc. There is no 'secret' to losing weight. It is a matter of calorie intake, vs. calories burned. Here is a great way to actually see your own personal calorie intake/calories burned: (it's free, it's sensible, it involves developing a new relationship with food) Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com Many people there^, seem to think that "diets" don't work, because the dieter does NOT develop a new relationship with their food that they CAN actually use for the rest of their life. "Dieters" can and do lose weight, but, notoriously regain it all back, when they try to resume 'normal' eating again....cuz, they never did learn a new way to approach food. they just took a 6 week break of 'normal' eating, but, learned nothing. Keeping weight off for good, requires that some of us, have to almost rewire our brains all over again, from scratch, and develop new habits we can LIVE with, forever, not just for 6 weeks, but for forever. I joined there, after i'd gained 20lbs during mentalpause, (it's like waking up with someone else's metabolism, imo) and that site worked for me, anyway. I did mess up a lot at first, til i got the hang of re-deciding and re-learning a healthier way to see food. so don't give up, if you mess up at first, stick with it. Developing new habits takes time and practice. YOU CAN DO IT!! good luck, hope anything i wrote helps. It's not easy to undo ongoing habits, but, it can be done.
  23. somenurse

    Interesting article about God

    Unless the person can see their friend, the friend is invisible. This isn't disrespectful, it seems to be factual. Many religious people do think of their gods as a friend. Most people see the word "friend" as complimentary. Which word would you prefer i use to someone who hangs around with, and comforts another person? There are even songs about Jesus being 'a friend of mine', ' best friend', etc. Never crossed my mind that anyone could see the word "friend" as an insult? also, tewdles herself describes her god as her "friend". Maybe you are upset at the wrong person...
  24. somenurse

    In retrospect do you support the Iraq war?

    tewdles, you have too many notes in your inbox to get a message. https://allnurses-breakroom.com/general-off-topic/nurses-empty-your-815497.html
  25. somenurse

    Don't buy a dog, not any dog at all.

    Main reason we have too many dogs in the dog pounds is we have too many dogs.
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