//" disagree with this....a pet at the shelter, especially within the limited time frame they are often given before they are euthanized and under the stressful circumstances they are in, is a VERY difficult time to determine a pets temperment."//
I have answered this one a few times, too, brb.
here are few posts, i am just now copying and pasting. Added bold face new.
//"I've seem some rescues with this, but, often rescues are picked out AS ADULTS, so such dogs are avoided, (if not put down)as even a layman or dog novice might avoid such dogs. It's hard to miss spotting either disorder in the adult dog, when you reach for it, and it ducks or growls, or bites! Or, when you walk the dog down the aisle, the dog lunges viscously at the other dogs, kinda hard to miss noticing all that.
but, some humans see 'shy' dogs as charming, and have no clue what shyness can escalate to, and do choose shy dogs on purpose, cuz they don't know, just being nice to the dog won't change it's neurobiology"//
//"A few times on this thread, i have recommended having the dog pound dog temperment tested, or contact local rescues or orgs to find someone who can temp test a dog. Or hire or ask a trainer who is knowledgable on how to temp test,
or an animal behaviorist. Some vets can do this, too, and possibly could be hired to do so.(not sure about the vets)"//
//"ONe of the main things in your post i disagree with, is, you seem unaware that the two most common disorders amongst dogs (dog pound dogs, or dogs you pay for) include the shy dog, ("fear-aggressive" dogs, who react to most unknown humans)
the dog-aggressive dog, (reacts to most unknown dogs).
These are recessive genes, the parents are almost always 'normal' dogs. Best way to avoid taking home a dog with either disorder, is to adopt an adult dog. (over 14 mos old, as either disorder is usually very obvious by then)"//
//"Many many times, i have taken pains to try to educate anyone who might be reading along, to be aware, that the two most difficult types of dogs to live with (the shy dog, and the dog-aggressive dog) can not be detected in the litter box. i state several times, the best way to AVOID those issues, is choose an adult dog over 14 mos old.
Most humans still falsely believe these dogs were "raised wrong", since it is not evident at birth, and most dog buyers remain unaware, it is a neurobiological disorder. These are not "easy" dogs, they are the hardest of all dogs, imo.
and buying a puppy will NOT NOT NOT prevent owning such a dog."
I am trying so hard to prevent people from ending up with a dog with either the "fear-aggressive" disorder, or the "dog-aggressive" disorder, by trying to educate anyone reading along, that you can NOT detect either of these difficult disorders in the litter box, no matter how much you are spending on the dog.//
//For people who need a definite type of temperament in their pet, and wish to avoid the two most common behavioral disorders in dogs,
choosing a PUPPY is your LEAST reliable way to go.//
//And like i said, it is only one or two of a litter, and most breeders, if you call them up when your pup is 9 months old, and report, "Ey, my pup is now reacting to most unknown dogs." or, "Ey, my pup is now beginning to growl at unknonw humans or bite unknown humans now"
the breeder will say what most everyone thinks is true "well, you raised it wrong."
It is a rare, rare breeder who realizes these dogs DO have a neurobiological disorder, visible on MRIs of the dog's brain.//
//"This problem in dogs is Very hard to not notice, Very hard to miss seeing!!! It causes much anguish to owners who have such dogs, as they are all told "you raised it wrong!" and most owners, do reflect back, and usually come up with "The Story" of why their dog is that way...even though all their other dogs, raised alongside the shydog, or the DA dog, all were raised in same way
by same human
and all their other dogs are 'normal'. Still, most humans with either type of dog, will offer "The Story" of why their dog is not right. (some trauma, some neglect, some event, that the human feels "caused" the behavior).
These dogs are often the FIRST dogs chosen for euthanasia in pounds, but, as puppies, they can not be spotted, and are sold."//
also, please read reply #93 here:
wayyyyyyyyy easier to just copy and paste at this stage of the thread!!!:roflmao: