I guess I have to wonder why you chose conservative Christians/rightists in the foregoing post as the group to whom to attribute the attitude you have trouble with. I mean, why not some other religions?
Also, I am concerned with where people will spend eternity once they leave this earth. Christians (fundamentalist, evangelical Christians, such as Baptists, Presbyterians, other mainstream denominations) believe that there is a Heaven to get to and a Hell to avoid, and that Jesus is the only way to achieve the one and avoid the other. It's the old narrow way. I didn't know you had a dislike for those who believe that. Certainly you are free to like or not like, agree with or not share the same views, as you see fit. I don't question your right. I just was kind of shocked that you singled out the group you singled out and I wish we were all concerned about where we will go when we pass on.
For Tweety - I'm sorry that certain people have hurt you. Truly, I wish I could erase that hurt. People being rude or thoughtless or intentionally cruel doesn't change what I believe and I don't think it changed what you believe, although I don't know for sure. I also have been the recipient of, shall we say, less than lovingkindness from other born again believers in Jesus.
It was definitely a shock the first few times I realized that someone can be a Christian and still be an alcoholic or thief or have other problems and mal-behaviors on their record. It didn't make the Bible untrue, though, it just meant that the people were fallible and hadn't yet arrived at a state of perfection, just as I had not and have not. And I have sometimes been less than loving, not able to fully forgive, a poor example of Christian maturity and love here on this planet. I know it's hard to believe. :devil: Not.
I just hope that people who have received "the left foot of get out of our church" don't hold it against God Himself. I hope they realize that they are dealing with fallible, imperfect people who might very well be Christians but are in process, as we all are. I hope those who have been hurt can accept the hurt as part of living in a still fallen world and can forgive and turn the other cheek - while protecting themselves from further hurt. I have "disfellowshipped" myself a few times from people who are hurtful to me, so I get why you might have done this, too.
What has been really painful has been to see at least 5 different ministers of the Gospel fall into sexual sin and misuse of ministry monies. (Jimmy Swaggart, the Bakers, my own personal pastor and another local pastor). Talk about disappointment and disillusionment. Still, none of this changes the message or what I believe to be the truth of the Bible. These folks are all just people in various stages of Christian maturity. My job is to pray for them and not look to them to be without shortcomings and not trust anyone more than good sense would dictate. And for those who have been burned, that good sense dictates a certain distance, a wait and see attitude with regard to all people, IMHO.
Peace to all. I'm glad we can calmly discuss these things and get to know each other better.