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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    Bad care and misguided ideas of how to handle developmental disabilities IS NOT THE SAME as willful and malicious oppression. Not knowing the difference between the two explains a lot. We DID have a disable student at our school. I an tell you with 100% certainty that I, as the only black student at the school, received FAR more oppression than he did. Anything that happens at middle school or lower doesn't count because EVERYONE is oppressed at that level... Once again... I assert that the right is using this in a vile and opportunistic manner. There is no real offense here and if there was let the offended speak for themselves... So... The lesson for today is that oppression requires WILLFUL and MALICIOUS actions. Segregation and denying women rights is plainly oppression. Not knowing the proper way to handle disabilities or worse, considering children such as I was with mental disabilities as problems, not knowing how to handle them and placing them in special ed, placing them somewhere separate or over-medicating them is not WILLFUL or MALICIOUS. Simply ignorant. ETA: And the litmus test is that oppression takes action to overturn. Usually violent or public action. The Civil Rights movement involved lots of violence(towards it) and public action. I don't recall disable people having to have marches to Selma or sitins to get their problems redressed. I don't recall police shooting them or spraying them with hoses. I don't recall any of that. All it took was time and education... That's NOT oppression...
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    Hey... If you guys can deny the OBVIOUSLY chimp like caricatures of Obama I can deny the not so obvious replacement of Trig's face with someone that just happens to be so ugly that they may or may not resemble someone with Down's Syndrome. Not the same thing. Plus, since I can't ever recall Down Syndrome people being oppressed and ridiculed on a large scale I still call this claim bunk.
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    The "Downhill" run?! :)

    Wait... The downhill didn't start for you until 50??? Darn... It started for me at 30... ETA: As for the hair, there is no silver or grey for me. Facial hair is going straight to white (over 50% already) and hair is receding faster than the speed of light.
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    I agree with you 90%. There HAVE been some issues where it's obvious to everyone but some refuse to admit it...
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    How can you say that we can't say what the intent of the person was and then DECLARE what their intent was? The photo is only obvious to those looking for offense. The only people offended ALL happen to be on the right. What a coincidence... Oh wait. There is no such thing as coincidence...
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    Ironic commercial ads of olde

    Goes to show that if business says it you better not trust it.
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    Tea Parties

    In essence we were mob rule when it came to black kids in school for what ~75% of our history? The government made a determination and the people allowed it. Any action other than revolution is tacit approval. If I walk into your house and start taking things and you fight a little and yell at me but don't physically stop me you approve. If you didn't approve you WOULD stop me or die trying. Tea parties are not the revolutionary act Timothy claims them to be. They are impotent and weak gestures. Even the original tea party was a weak gesture. If they were revolutionary they would start a revolution. This is just a chance for them to get together and act the fool. And to allow groups like Stormfront to have an outlet while at the same time being able to deny that they are allowing Stormfront access. The analogy of Gay Pride parades being Christian because homophobic people attend doesn't mesh. The proper analogy would be if a Gay Pride parade occurred and a super extremist Anti Heterosexual group was in attendance. The thing is... You don't see groups like that.
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    Truce... I won't bother finding the posts because then I would have to find my posts as well... I know they are out there. :D
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    Do You Support Euthanasia?

    If someone wanted to die I would have no problem following their wishes and helping them or even doing were it legal to do so. If my mother asked me to kill her instead of letting her suffer I'd do it in a heart beat. Blessed are the merciful if I recall... I WOULDN'T make that decision on my own though. They would have to make that decision. We speak of creating life and taking it. All of that is irrelevant. The single greatest right is self determination. NOTHING trumps that. If one wants to die no one has the right to stop it. I'd go so far to say that medical status should be irrelevant. The mere decision to die should be respected. Even more so when someone is no longer physically able to do it themselves.
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    A Mother Faces Felony Charges for Her Son's Obesity

    From a legal standpoint, parents are always culpable for their childrens actions. This is why parents of ill behaved children are always sued. The only problem I have with this is that I think the prosecutors are reaching with the charges that they are using. I have no problem with a law holding a parent responsible but the law used and the charges applied need to match the crime being committed. Otherwise we'll start charging friends with Attempted Murder when they peer pressure another friend into trying a cigarette...
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    I've been hearing rumors of this over Twitter for a few hours now. I am wondering if this will pan out and what it means for all her 'supporters.' Kind of mysterious to have the same building materials in her home AND the Wasilla Sports Complex.
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    Nowhere did I say it did or did not apply to me. However, I didn't make the claim of disingenuity and hypocrisy. You did... The onus is on you to acknowledge that my point, which was reiterated by GCTMT, was SPOT ON. This argument in itself explains the whole tone of the right. Accuse, mislead, misstate and NEVER admit. Speaking of misstatements. Please... If she knew when to pass the ball or quit it would have been while she was ahead. Before she opened her mouth... Do you know when to pass the ball? ETA: It means I haven't looked yet. We've danced this dance before Jolie. Are we done dancing or are there more one liners or ad hominems?
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    I merely pointed out a bit of the disingenuous behavior you spoke of. The fact that another poster was able to restate my point means that it was made perfectly. No need to beat a dead horse. ETA: I didn't say it.
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    I'd be careful pointing out THAT obvious bit of information around here.
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    Rut-Roh! Palin is resigning

    thank you. that was my point... eta: tastelessness does not invalidate a thing, idea or person. thinking it does and subsequently writing it/them off is a grave error and shows a stunning lack of tactical and strategic skill and common sense. that's why those politicians rallying against tasteless things are usually those same politicians relegated to positions of unimportance. such as palin...

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