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  1. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    you're right on the money. chicano is an american born person of mexican heritage. the reason it was chicano lit, though, was because i majored in english, not comparative literature, so novels in translation would not count towards the major. chicano lit hints at the cultural heritage but also addresses the fact that it was literature written in english originally.
  2. Salamandrina

    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    i'm headed in that direction starting jan 2nd. i think you missed my point. i don't think that crime statistics say all that much (if anything) about the people in government in those cities. take oakland for example. police officers can expect a starting salary over $60,000. they advertise all the time on tv and billboards, but they just can't get the number of police officers needed to really control crime. that is not the mayor's fault. i think dellums is a great guy. i have no issue with dixon (i don't know her quite as well, forgive me). my point was not to throw mud at these two individuals. so your comment "sure the mayors are bad. who cares? they aren't going to be vp" is not really addressing anything i was trying to say. i don't find fault with them. not even a little. what i am saying is that the populous makes the crime rate, not the government. and though the government can and imparitively should work towards controlling said crime rate, it isn't realistic to put all the responsibility on the head of the leaders. i really think that oakland did everything reasonable to get more cops on the street. it is just a hard sell. 100% agree. i hardly think that alaska is a rich state. certainly california has more financial resources than alaska and california is not crime free. *shrug* in the end we all just vote our conscience.
  3. Salamandrina

    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    Well, your are talking to someone that lives in Baltimore, with the number one or number two homicide rate in the country and home to Democratic Mayor Sheila Dixon. I moved here from Oakland, with the number six homicide rate in the country and home to Democratic Mayor Ron Dellums. Don't get me wrong, I have no complaint about either of these mayors. I think they do good work. But you can't cite a crime rate as crime indifference. And if you continue down this path, I am sure the conservatives will come out cleaner smelling than their liberal counterparts based, if nothing else, on the urban environment in which democrats do well.
  4. Salamandrina

    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    is there a connection i should be making with this? it isn't like palin raped people, is it? so what do these stats have to do with anything?
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    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    I doubt very seriously that anyone here "proved" 1) that Palin knew about the policy regarding the rape kit financing or 2) that the victims paid out of pocket. I have looked. I have looked and looked. I could find no such evidence. And if you want to ball all that up and just say that "McCain and Palin are liars" blah blah blah...."so it must be true about the rape victims!" then you have no more intellectual honesty than the people that say that Obama hates America because of Rev. Wright and Michelle's off-handed comments.
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    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    actually, i was never a hillary supporter. i voted for obama in the primaries. i would say i am the quintessential "undecided" voter. so yes, there is a chance will vote obama again. there is a lot to consider in general. i have a hard time blaming a senator from az (or il) for aig tanking and i don't think the government should have bailed them out (nor fannie mae and freddie mac). this is a complicated election. next steps are pivotal.
  7. Salamandrina

    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    Yeah. Who needs evidence to support claims when you can just accuse those you disagree with of lacking common sense? :up:
  8. Salamandrina

    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    You state several times here that Palin knew what the policy was and that the money was an out of pocket expense for the victims. If you will site any sources that can validate these claims, I would be genuinely interested in reading them. I am not asking for you to do my leg work for me. I have looked. I have tried to find out anything that verifies that Palin knew and the rape victims paid. I want to make the best most informed decision I can this election, and everything I have found on the matter said that it was unlikely that Palin knew and I found nothing that could verify that victims paid.
  9. Salamandrina

    Obama In It, To Win It(White House, Here We Come!)

    http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt the governor of alaska pre-palin signed into law a bill stating that victims and their health insurance policies would no longer be charged for the medical expenses associated with rape kits. wasilla police chief at the time thought that the criminal and not the tax payer should pay for the rape kit. i don’t believe that this situation, in any way, exemplifies that palin or former gov knowles wanted rape victims to pay for their own rape kits. it does, however, quote police chief fannon as saying that they used to charge the kits to the insurance companies of the victims when possible (a policy i in no way endorse, but it isn't the same as an out of pocket expense on the victims part) and that he thinks that the criminals themselves should pay for the kits. but there is nothing here pointing a finger to palin thinking that rape victims should pay for their own rape kits.
  10. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    I was born and raised in San Diego (Border towns - represent!). At my undergrad, English majors applied for the class on the kind of literature they wanted to write their senior thesis on. I was the only white person in Chicano lit. Big school, too. Not a small liberal arts college. *shrug* People just don't know what's good. :D
  11. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    Well, I don't know if it was that. I think it gave me a sense of what it is to be a minority though when I was so outnumbered by another culture at a developmental stage when you are trying to fit in. But racially, I don't think it affected me. I remember honestly feeling like "Well, I am white and a girl so...."
  12. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    I dated a Mexican guy that had a brother that was much lighter skinned than the rest of the family and the whole family called him guero.
  13. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    okay....i wasn't completely honest. i was shying away from obscenities. they were actually calling me "pinche guera". i know they were trying to insult me.
  14. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    no. i don't think i was "wronged". did i say that? did i imply that? please site where. i care that people were offended by what i said but i don't feel hurt by it. i admit that it was a snotty post and i was being condescending by using the term "sweetheart" and people objecting to that had a point. being told it was a rude post doesn't shock or hurt my feelings or any such like thing. however, i didn’t understand the objection to “you people”. i started this thread because i got specific response to that. and when i talk about listeners being responsible too, i am not and was not still talking about that post. you can see i mentioned a situation that happened to my mom’s late coworker. that is what i was talking about at that time. so although this thread started about my tying to understand the response to a two word pairing in a single post, not all of my responses in this thread at still relating back to that post. i heard the message that “you people” is offensive and i will do my best not to use it anymore. i didn’t start this thread so that people would support me, and i don’t think that this is what happened either. i started this thread to understand. that’s it. and, as all conversations are want to do, what started out about one thing lead to a bigger general discussion. that’s all that happened here.
  15. Salamandrina

    Honest question: how is "you people" differnt then "you guys"

    i am just saying that we have a responsibility when we are talking and when we are listening to try to understand what the person means under what they are saying. i wonder why it is that if you can recognize that the person giving the compliment "didn't intend any ill will or hatred" that you would still chose to be hurt by those words? and i do appreciate what you are saying about the use of "boy " and "girl" for aas. (i am not so sure about saying that it has the same history with all people of color because i have never heard it used against latinos or asians and i have never heard them complain about the term being directed toward them. it seems like a black - white issue, but i could be wrong). i am not saying all seemingly innocent words are always innocent. tone has so much to do with language (which is precisely the limitation of communications form such as this). i just think relationships break down when one person is feeling misunderstood and the other is feeling offended. we need to try not to offend and try not to take offense when none is intended. this isn't always possible. sometimes we offend and sometimes we're offended. but i just think it is the progress goal even if sometimes we miss the mark.
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