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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Please provide proof that Bloomberg "bought" the House in 2018.

He claimed, not me.  You didn't watch the debate?

I have no idea who Amy McGrath is.  

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4 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The Democrat establishment doesn't want him either.   They know it would be handing the Republicans and both the House and Senate.

They are in a pickle though.  Stealing the nomination from Sanders again would likely bring out the pitchforks from Bernie's crowd.

 

I'm not sure how a Sander's nomination would be handing Republicans both houses, so could you elaborate on that?

I do know without both house and senate he would be totally ineffective in getting any of his radical agenda passed.

I'm not democrat establishment but a lot of mainstream Democrats are of the idea that he's not in line with the Democrat Party.  He was an independent, then decided to be a "Democratic Socialist" and then joined the Democrat party but really isn't a Democrat in my eye.

Still, us in the mainstream already understand that Sanders is not a socialist.

His "Bernie or Bust" crowd are not Democrats either and betrayed the Democrats and helped Trump.

Given this, I'm not sure why people would want Sanders.  I would want Sanders out, which would divide the party even more with their anger.  

Regardless Trump's anti-Biden and Bloomberg rants really only show how threatened and fearful he is.  He might be rallying his base, but never-Trumpers, and Democrats don't really care.  It only makes him look more catty and immature.  

I think like Nel said above, most voters are voting of their own free will.  Democrats do not have the ability to steal the election in favor of Sanders.  No one is holding a gun to my head and telling me who to vote for, and I just have to have faith that when my vote is cast it isn't changed to someone else and stolen.   

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I cannot take credit for the 2018 "Blue Wave'. I did make hundreds of phone calls as a volunteer to remind Democrats to vote. I was the oldest volunteer there with many 18 year old first time voters. Once the phone bank was in a classroom at a mosque I hadn't been to before. Another was in the hall of a church. 

I think it is possible that his donations helped, but do did the voter registration drives, advertisements, knocking on doors and such done by volunteers and staff.

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1 hour ago, chare said:

There is video in which he appears to have said so, or start to an correct himself.  I think, as is often the case, people are going to hear what they want.

Bloomberg accidentally claims to have 'bought' the 2018 midterm results

This isn't obscure video.  This was in the debate.  Am in the only one here who watched it?

There was also a groan from the Democrat crowd.  They heard the same I did.

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Gotta love technology.  Biden has already taken North Carolina and Virginia.  Sanders took Vermont.

It's now only 7:50pm.  California three hours behind us on the east coast is the prize.

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22 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm not sure how a Sander's nomination would be handing Republicans both houses, so could you elaborate on that?

I do know without both house and senate he would be totally ineffective in getting any of his radical agenda passed.

I'm not democrat establishment but a lot of mainstream Democrats are of the idea that he's not in line with the Democrat Party.  He was an independent, then decided to be a "Democratic Socialist" and then joined the Democrat party but really isn't a Democrat in my eye.

Still, us in the mainstream already understand that Sanders is not a socialist.

His "Bernie or Bust" crowd are not Democrats either and betrayed the Democrats and helped Trump.

Given this, I'm not sure why people would want Sanders.  I would want Sanders out, which would divide the party even more with their anger.  

Regardless Trump's anti-Biden and Bloomberg rants really only show how threatened and fearful he is.  He might be rallying his base, but never-Trumpers, and Democrats don't really care.  It only makes him look more catty and immature.  

I think like Nel said above, most voters are voting of their own free will.  Democrats do not have the ability to steal the election in favor of Sanders.  No one is holding a gun to my head and telling me who to vote for, and I just have to have faith that when my vote is cast it isn't changed to someone else and stolen.   

You're right, Tweety.

Trump's continued unhinged rants directed at his potential Democratic challengers portrays a high level of fear on his part.

The nonsensical musings and propaganda put forth by his rank and file cult followers also demonstrates a level of fear.

Of course, they have good reasons to be afraid.

Young people are voting for Bernie. Young people aren't flocking to support Trump, and his party of hate.

Latinos are supporting Bernie and Biden.

And Blacks are supporting Biden.

That leaves Trump with his same old supporters.

Add in novel coronavirus, and a lackluster government response to a pandemic, an economy that could tank if the virus continues unabated and a hapless moron whose greatest concern is his own reelection, and you understand why Trumpsters are desperate to change the conversation.

 

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41 minutes ago, Lucylu71 said:

He claimed, not me.  You didn't watch the debate?

I have no idea who Amy McGrath is.  

No. He didn't claim any such thing.

I read what Chare posted.

It was clearly a gaffe.

You know.

The kind of gaffe Trump makes all the time, like not knowing the home state of the Super Bowl winners, while congratulating them on their win.

Or misidentifying the first victim of the coronavirus in the US.

But in the case of Trump, one might expect a higher level of preparation when one occupies the WH.

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36 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm not sure how a Sander's nomination would be handing Republicans both houses, so could you elaborate on that?

I do know without both house and senate he would be totally ineffective in getting any of his radical agenda passed.

I'm not democrat establishment but a lot of mainstream Democrats are of the idea that he's not in line with the Democrat Party.  He was an independent, then decided to be a "Democratic Socialist" and then joined the Democrat party but really isn't a Democrat in my eye.

Still, us in the mainstream already understand that Sanders is not a socialist.

His "Bernie or Bust" crowd are not Democrats either and betrayed the Democrats and helped Trump.

Given this, I'm not sure why people would want Sanders.  I would want Sanders out, which would divide the party even more with their anger.  

Regardless Trump's anti-Biden and Bloomberg rants really only show how threatened and fearful he is.  He might be rallying his base, but never-Trumpers, and Democrats don't really care.  It only makes him look more catty and immature.  

I think like Nel said above, most voters are voting of their own free will.  Democrats do not have the ability to steal the election in favor of Sanders.  No one is holding a gun to my head and telling me who to vote for, and I just have to have faith that when my vote is cast it isn't changed to someone else and stolen.   

Many are oblivious to how screwed the Democrats are right now.

You did a good job explaining how he would be handing the house, senate, and WH to the Republicans.  I would add, he is indeed a socialist.  He calls himself one, has socialist policies, honeymooned in the old USSR, on a debate stage defended the values of Fidel Castro.  

Some will argue he is a "Democratic Socialist".  If there is a difference, the average voter isn't going to take the time to figure out the nuances.  Especially those old enough to remember the USSR, Cold War, etc.  Again, he honeymooned in the USSR, not Denmark.

It's not the voters who are going to steal it from Sanders.  It's the DNC.  If the nominee hasn't been decided by primaries by the convention, it's going to be Biden.

The DNC is run by Obama holdovers and supporters.  If Biden is the nominee, they'll stay.  If its Sanders, they'll be replaced and the AOC type wing of the party will be in charge for years to come.  That's what the establishment is fearful of.  They want to win the WH of course, but they'd take a loss with Biden over a Sanders nomination.

Trump and his supporters aren't threatened or desperate.  They want Sanders to be the nominee, or better yet for it to be undecided going into the convention.  If anything, we are over confident.  Right now things are falling into place quite nicely.  

A good analysis of what a brokered convention might mean:

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/sanders-and-possible-brokered-convention-for-democrats-analyzed-79772741701

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13 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Many are oblivious to how screwed the Democrats are right now.

You did a good job explaining how he would be handing the house, senate, and WH to the Republicans.  I would add, he is indeed a socialist.  He calls himself one, has socialist policies, honeymooned in the old USSR, on a debate stage defended the values of Fidel Castro.  

Some will argue he is a "Democratic Socialist".  If there is a difference, the average voter isn't going to take the time to figure out the nuances.  Especially those old enough to remember the USSR, Cold War, etc.  Again, he honeymooned in the USSR, not Denmark.

It's not the voters who are going to steal it from Sanders.  It's the DNC.  If the nominee hasn't been decided by primaries by the convention, it's going to be Biden.

The DNC is run by Obama holdovers and supporters.  If Biden is the nominee, they'll stay.  If its Sanders, they'll be replaced and the AOC type wing of the party will be in charge for years to come.  That's what the establishment is fearful of.  They want to win the WH of course, but they'd take a loss with Biden over a Sanders nomination.

Trump and his supporters aren't threatened or desperate.  They want Sanders to be the nominee, or better yet for it to be undecided going into the convention.  If anything, we are over confident.  Right now things are falling into place quite nicely.  

A good analysis of what a brokered convention might mean:

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/sanders-and-possible-brokered-convention-for-democrats-analyzed-79772741701

A Trump supporter, who has a hapless moron, criminal, liar, misogynist at the top of the ticket is lecturing Democrats on their potential candidate!

This is side splitting funny!!!!

And baloney is right.

Why do Trump supporters think Democrats care what their opinions are of our candidates?

Because Trumpsters are in such deep denial over their own situation, it is clear their critical thinking skills are absent.

 

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Too bad Republicans couldn't do in 2016, what Democrats are doing in 2020, and that is DROP OUT when you know you have no viable path to nomination.

If Republicans had been capable of getting out of their own way, they might have ended up with a candidate capable of winning both popular vote, and EC.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Too bad Republicans couldn't do in 2016, what Democrats are doing in 2020, and that is DROP OUT when you know you have no viable path to nomination.

If Republicans had been capable of getting out of their own way, they might have ended up with a candidate capable of winning both popular vote, and EC.

 

 

Not sure why it matters, but on Super Tuesday 2016, the Republicans had 5 candidates.  This is the same as Democrats had yesterday.

Why would Trump supporters care that California gave Clinton the popular vote win?

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I vacationed Vietnam but that doesn't make me a socialist.   Denmark and Finland are capitalist countries with strong social welfare programs but business and enterprise rains in capitalists hands.  This is what Sanders wants.  However its very very important for Trump supporters and Trump to instill the fear of socialism in people.  

He does have ideas that are like socialism but then again, so did FDR.

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