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15 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I think it's because "detention center" is legally defined by certain criteria; detainees per square footage for instance, a number of these centers no longer fit into that criteria but now do more closely fit into the definition of "concentration camp" you provided above.  People are being held in what the DHS OIG describes as "a relatively small area with inadequate facilities" and for the admitted purpose of persecuting a minority.

I don't disagree there's an argument to be made for holding those who have crossed the border illegally until they can be legally processed rather than releasing them and hoping they will return, but to do so without any sort of planning for the expected sharp increase in detainees is either negligence or a deliberate attempt to treat a group of people inhumanely.

It's likely a combination of deliberately cruel treatment and negligence and a measure of incompetence thrown in. 

Did you know that Trump's pick to head CBP was a posting member of the racist and horrible private social media group? She said she was going to hold the bad actors accountable. That ought to be an interesting vetting and investigation  (if it actually happens).  

All Lives matter. 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's likely a combination of deliberately cruel treatment and negligence and a measure of incompetence thrown in. 

Did you know that Trump's pick to head CBP was a posting member of the racist and horrible private social media group? She said she was going to hold the bad actors accountable. That ought to be an interesting vetting and investigation  (if it actually happens).  

All Lives matter. 

That’s not really a accurate account of what happened.

“Provost herself had posted in the group, then known as “I’m 10-15,” now archived as “America First X 2.” Provost’s comment was innocuous — a friendly clapback against a group member who questioned her rise to the top of the Border Patrol“

And, here is what she said about holding people accountable:

“Provost said in a statement. “Any employees found to have violated our standards of conduct will be held accountable.”

https://theintercept.com/2019/07/12/border-patrol-chief-carla-provost-was-a-member-of-secret-facebook-group/

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28 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

That’s not really a accurate account of what happened.

“Provost herself had posted in the group, then known as “I’m 10-15,” now archived as “America First X 2.” Provost’s comment was innocuous — a friendly clapback against a group member who questioned her rise to the top of the Border Patrol“

And, here is what she said about holding people accountable:

“Provost said in a statement. “Any employees found to have violated our standards of conduct will be held accountable.”

https://theintercept.com/2019/07/12/border-patrol-chief-carla-provost-was-a-member-of-secret-facebook-group/

She was a member of a secret/private CBP social media group which engages in a wide variety of unacceptable, racist and misogynistic misbehavior.  We get to see what she considers to be in violation of their standards of conduct.  It is a little reassuring that they previously identified acceptable vs unacceptable behavior but I'm wondering if so many employees are unaware or the standards or the standards don't address their unprofessional ugliness.

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection was aware of the inflammatory Facebook page where alleged Border Patrol agents posted racist, sexist and violent images — and the agency has investigated posts from the group on at least one occasion, an official said.

CBP’s Office of Professional Responsibility, akin to an internal affairs division, received content from the group once called “I’m 10-15” in 2016, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a personnel investigation. The office carried out an inquiry and took disciplinary action, but the official did not say how many employees were involved or what sort of discipline was dispensed...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/06/cbp-officials-knew-about-derogatory-facebook-group-years-ago-have-investigated-posts-it-before/?utm_term=.3bb3c0e1a52f

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Inside the Secret Border Patrol Facebook Group Where Agents Joke About Migrant Deaths and Post Sexist Memes

Members of a secret Facebook group for current and former Border Patrol agents joked about the deaths of migrants, discussed throwing burritos at Latino members of Congress visiting a detention facility in Texas on Monday and posted a vulgar illustration depicting Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez engaged in oral sex with a detained migrant, according to screenshots of their postings...

...   The Border  Patrol’s approximately 20,000 agents serve under the broader U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, which has been faulted for allegedly mistreating children and adults in its custody. The agency’s leadership has been in turmoil, with its most recent acting chief, John Sanders, resigning last week...

https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-border-patrol-facebook-group-agents-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes

 

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Sadly there is more. I hope they get a new chief who can transfer or replace Border Patrol Agents who are so burned out they cannot think of migrants as people.

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In early 2018, federal investigators found a raft of disturbing and racist text messages sent by Border Patrol agents in southern Arizona after searching the phone of Matthew Bowen, an agent charged with running down a Guatemalan migrant with a Ford F-150 pickup truck. The texts, which were revealed in a court filing in federal court in Tucson, described migrants as “guats,” “wild ass s***bags,” “beaners” and “subhuman.” The messages included repeated discussions about burning the migrants up...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/20/mindless-murdering-savages-border-agent-used-slurs-before-allegedly-hitting-migrant-with-his-truck/?utm_term=.e8c6c16d8c60

 

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The texts sent just before allegedly hitting a migrant with his truck:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6178150/BOWEN-TEXT-MESSAGE-EXHIBIT-DEF.pdf

 

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On 6/20/2019 at 12:37 PM, SC_RNDude said:

If you were to read my question closely, and Baloney missed this too, you would see I was asking which ideas YOU thought would fix income inequality.

Baloney tossed a few out there, but I’d really like someone to articulate how those things would fix income inequality.

Where I live only old people, who bought their homes decades ago, and younger people, who inherited their homes can afford to live in most of Los Angeles County. A house much like mine rents for $4,800  a month. We have been offered more than $1 million for ours. We didn't sell because it would cost more than that to find another place to live where husband could socialize with his lifelong friends.

Here is a picture of my house from across the street:

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Below is a picture of the house my Mom, aunt, uncle, and grandparents bought in 1936, Grandma sold it in 1953 and live with kids. She lived my us from 1969 to 1978.

It was on the "Wrong Side of the Tracks". Going from downtown there were only dirt roads after passing the railroad tracks. I remember Grandma's "Old Lady Friends". One dipped snuff and spit the juice through a gap in her teeth into a Maxwell House coffee can. One had her breast fall into a pitcher of lemonade. With such entertainment kids also played lots of active games. All the Negros lived on that side of the tracks, and the poorest White people. Even the one Black doctor (of five doctors in town) had to live there. My uncle, and our family lived in the country outside of town. 

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A house down the street from my Grandma's former house is for sale. The asking price is $34,000, the estimated monthly mortgage payment is $167.00

 https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1910-E-Maine-Ave-Enid-OK-73701/218193608_zpid/

Does anyone have an idea of how to create a way for the people who work in places with high housing costs to be able to live there?

The free market is not working for most people in these places. What will work?

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Big Labor warns 2020 Dems: Don't take union workers' support for granted.

“We are caught in a web of century-old labor laws that prioritize unchecked corporate greed over all else,” Trumka said, according to the Huffington Post. “We can blame this White House all we want. But this isn’t new.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/labor-union-afl-cio-richard-trumka-2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-lets-be-nore-honest-about-the-democratic-partys-record

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1 hour ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Big Labor warns 2020 Dems: Don't take union workers' support for granted.

“We are caught in a web of century-old labor laws that prioritize unchecked corporate greed over all else,” Trumka said, according to the Huffington Post. “We can blame this White House all we want. But this isn’t new.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/labor-union-afl-cio-richard-trumka-2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-lets-be-nore-honest-about-the-democratic-partys-record

Totally agree it isn't new.  Big labor's support among both politicians and the general populace has been declining for a while.  

Unions have long been seen as not really accomplishing much for the modern worker but taking their money.    Where were they when the rich-worker gap widened and widened?

Don't blame them for flexing their muscle.  Doubtful they will get behind Trump though.

https://democracyjournal.org/briefing-book/the-myth-of-a-pro-union-trump/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-big-labor-anti-worker-1541719268

That said, new companies in the digital age like Buzzfeed and Vox are unionized and popular with millennials.  

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Trump makes El Paso visit about himself.  The victims didn't want to meet with him.

 

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"I was here three months ago," Trump is seen telling a group of what appear to be first responders and other officials at University Medical Center in the video.

"That place was packed. ... That was some crowd. And we had twice the number outside. And then you had this crazy Beto. Beto had like 400 people in a parking lot, they said his crowd was wonderful," he said.

The interaction came on a day where Trump visited two cities grieving from recent mass shootings and spent time airing personal grievances about the coverage he received during the visits and leveling attacks at his critics, including several Democratic presidential candidates.

The overwhelming majority of patients at two El Paso hospitals the White House had reached out to in preparation for Trump's Wednesday visit said that they did not want to spend any time with the President, an individual who had been briefed on the matter tells CNN.

The source confirmed the Washington Post report that not one of the eight patients still being treated at University Medical Center wanted to meet with the President, so administrators brought back two patients who had already been discharged who expressed a willingness to meet with him.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/politics/trump-brags-crowd-size-hospital-visit-el-paso/index.html?fbclid=IwAR10YjZ5I6HYGCJg6W2RfbyWh35v5B75o91RQTihUn3jbo4mI2yzGbZ_rIA

 

From the New York Times, an editorial opinion

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EL PASO — If consoling the nation in a time of desperate need is a vital and yet simple task of the American presidency, Donald J. Trump failed miserably this week.

From his flight on Wednesday to Dayton, Ohio, to this sprawling high-desert city on the Mexican border, the 45th occupant of the White House not only littered his consolation tour with petty insults — but just to rub salt in the wound, doses of renewed racism. Yet most striking was how alone and outnumbered the president was: rejected, ostracized and told to go home.

The people who streamed the scene of the terrorist attack here — brown, black, white and every hue in between — defiantly defended the nation’s diversity. With no public appearances, the president seemed to shrink, ever more alone as he clung to his white nationalist politics and governance. But he and his supporters were grossly outnumbered. For perhaps the first time in his angry, racist and cruel presidency, the tables were turned in smoldering, righteous popular anger — and he was on the receiving end.

You have to give this to Mr. Trump: He never backs off. He doubles down like a wild gambler in a casino, raising the stakes one more time demanding just a few more chips from the house. Leaving the White House on Wednesday morning, he said, “I think my rhetoric brings people together,” adding he was “concerned about the rise of any group of hate. I don’t like it, whether it’s white supremacy, whether it’s any other kind of supremacy.”. . . 

 

. . . When Air Force One touched down, the temperature was soaring toward 104 degrees and just one single local official, Mayor Dee Margo, was there to greet him (Gov. Greg Abbott was there as well).

Along the president’s route from the airport to a hospital, people lined the roads to greet him — largely with rejection. “What’s more important?” Asked one man’s sign. “Lives or re-election?” American and Mexican flags sprouted together in the August heat. Signs with quotes bearing his name came back to haunt him: “We cannot allow these people to invade our country.” “Not Welcome” covered a stage at a park where people protested the president. The El Paso Times ran a black front page with this headline: “Mr. President, We Are Hurting.”

How people actually live here stands in stark contrast to Mr. Trump’s white nationalism, consistently separating Americans into old-fashioned, racist categories. (Among other instances: He has told American Jews that Israel’s prime minister is their leader and proudly boasted of his few black supporters by calling them “my African Americans.”) Six in 10 Americans here have family on the other side of the trickling Rio Grande, according to a study by the El Paso Community Foundation, while six in 10 Mexicans just across the border have family on the American side. Thirty percent of Latinos here marry outside their ethnicity, usually an Anglo. Nationwide, one in six marriages are interracial, according to the Pew Research Center.

And what is usually forgotten is that racial violence in America has almost never been a two-way street. Instead, it has been visited, unfortunately, by the majority — whites. What whites have historically called “race riots” have actually been one-sided assaults by whites: Anglo-on-Latino in Texas, white-on-Chinese further West, white-on-blacks in Oklahoma and the Deep South. And so it continues, in 2019.

 

 

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He told lies about El Paso. His rhetoric matches the rhetoric of a white supremacist mass shooter, why should anyone in the community be excited to see him?

There's a reason that Trump's advance team kept Trump out of camera and microphone range. They know that they cannot prevent him from acting like he's a teen girl at a debutante ball. He really does need to put himself in the middle. 

This is diagnosable behavior, right?

 

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I did mean to put my post above in the other thread.  

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