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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

I think we agree on what the problems facing us are, but differ in many cases on how to solve them.

Its too bad politics has become so polarizing that people dont seem to be able to appreciate what they do have in common in this regard.  

Agree it is too bad.  

I saw on a coworkers Facebook today.  "Hillary and Trump are taking a walk and see a homeless person.  Trump gives the man directions to his business and tells him he will hire him and gives him $20.  The next homeless man Clinton gives the man direction to the welfare office for free stuff and takes $20 from Trump and keeps $15 for herself for "expenses".   See the difference between a Republican and Democrat?"  

...and so it goes.

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2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Agree it is too bad.  

I saw on a coworkers Facebook today.  "Hillary and Trump are taking a walk and see a homeless person.  Trump gives the man directions to his business and tells him he will hire him and gives him $20.  The next homeless man Clinton gives the man direction to the welfare office for free stuff and takes $20 from Trump and keeps $15 for herself for "expenses".   See the difference between a Republican and Democrat?"  

...and so it goes.

Yes. 

Ridiculous imagined circumstances coupled with ridiculous imagined responses intended to inflame the emotions of two groups of gullible people.  LOTS of people share this sort of stuff all over social media. Extremists from all persuasions are loving this combative environment which is encouraged by the Trump. 

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7 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Of course not.  Businesses aren’t required to have employees.

They can have employees, and provide compensation that they choose.  Even pay for employees’ college expenses if they want.

Not the same as one group of society being forced to pay for college for another group.

So employers should be free to pay employees a penny per hour and leave it up to taxpayers to pay their basic living expenses?

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18 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

You obviously did some research on this subject, but then conveniently left out “downzoning”.

In 1960, LA had a capacity based on zoning of 10,000,000 people.  In the years since, of which Democrats have been in charge for most of that time, it’s gone down to just over 4,000,000.   

One poster mentioned supply and demand as effecting home prices and homelessness.  What do you think downzoning has done?

Just one of the many liberal policies, sanctuary cities and a bad welfare system being others, that has led to California’s problems.

Your assertion that multi family homes causes the single family homes value to decrease has not been proven. And, my own personal experience and what I observe in the metro area I live would indicate your assertion is false.

The demand for high-density residential areas which the 10 million figure was based on didn't materialize, the demand was for single family detached homes so the market and the zoning adjusted to meet that demand.  

Are you saying that this instance of the government following market demands is a liberal policy?  And that if the government had instead forced high density housing down the throat of a market that didn't want it, that would be an example of conservative policies?

There is certainly data to be found which shows that the fears of property value losses by those in single family home residential areas are not always as bad as they fear, but it's the belief (whether legit or not) that your house won't be worth as much if a apartment/tenement is built next door that drives the resistance to changing single family zoning to high density.

https://la.curbed.com/2018/9/10/17827982/single-family-houses-los-angeles-zoning-rules-explained

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18 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I guess I’ll have to take your word for it that’s what it says.  It looks more like the weather temperature map for the day.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I don’t see how that shows homeless people flock to California for the reason you said.

I have another theory that may be just as far-fetched.  Homeless flock there because they can poop outside without getting a ticket.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwibm9brmfziAhWDXc0KHXVfCiEQzPwBegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-6924787%2FInteractive-map-reveals-staggering-number-human-waste-San-Franciscos-streets.html&psig=AOvVaw0lUaxT0q0hRKscDyML2S8U&ust=1561262409191665

That doesn't seem to state anywhere that public defecation is allowed, SF reported 423 citations for public defecation last year, although I doubt that does much.  

I would agree however that part of the problem is too much tolerance in many cases, although given the number of public restrooms in these areas it's figured that a large portion of public poop is due to the mentally ill population, and I'm not sure that handing out tickets or even putting these people in jail does much to solve the mentally ill homeless problem. 

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Deinstitutionalization of People with Mental Illness: Causes and Consequences

I worked in Michigan in a community which was home to a large state psychiatric facility. When more than a dozen facilities were closed and the nearby facility closed buildings and inpatient wards (1980-1990), the community struggled to accommodate people who were not dangerous, but were also not capable of living independently in society.  The homeless population grew.

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49 minutes ago, Tweety said:

That's a good question.  I'm sure you know that I support the idea of education and healthcare, particularly for the middle class because the poor and rich already get it.  

My other question is why the same people that feel that taxation is a form of theft have no problem with $700 billion in military expenses a huge amount of that which is unnecessary and wasted.  

Maybe some poor students already get a college education, but most do not. I was fortunate in earning my RN and then LVN at community college. By the time I went for my BSN I was earning RN wages. 

The lack of opportunities have been going on a long time. 

Because of  Jim Crow non-White veterans in the North had few VA loans available and in the South there were none.

Many colleges and Universities in the North had restrictions on how many non-White students to enroll, and most, even public Universities did not admit Negros, even those with straight "A"s and high SAT scores whose families paid the same taxes as did the parents of White students.

The above resulted in My Daddy, like many WWII veterans, to be the first in his family to attend college. Because of the GI Bill he and my Mom had a VA loan to buy a home. They were economically much better off.

Because of my White, smart, hard working father and my creative hard working mother I had advantages many didn't have. We owned a home, had a college educating Dad who understood the value of education, and lived in neighborhoods with good public schools. 

I have dear friends who went to public schools that didn't have the prerequisites for acceptance to any college or university. If you really are interested in their story you can watch it here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apvoIbUM-RI 

(I remember when UCLA had a rule that at least one Negro and one woman would be admitted to the School of Medicine.) My second year working in a hospital one medical student filled both slots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/19/minorities-and-poor-college-students-are-shouldering-the-most-student-debt/?utm_term=.bc63450e9aaa

https://www.prrac.org/newsletters/marapr2006.pdf

https://uakron.edu/dotAsset/726850.pdf

http://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/when-affirmative-action-was-white

 

 

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6 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Subsidized education is what caused this mess.  Starting with when Democrats decided everyone should be eligible for subsidized loans and grants, regardless of need.

 I don’t see that the Republicans or Democrats have the political will to do what should be done.  Republicans will let things go as they are, which is bad.  Liberals will advocate for free tuition, which is worse.

You have a nice opportunity to outline that causation. Are you squint some people didn't need the education or didn't need the help?

You could tell us what should be done so that we can encourage our legislators to do the right thing. Why would free tuition be bad, again? Society bearing the cost of education rather than the individual is bad?

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4 hours ago, herring_RN said:

Maybe some poor students already get a college education, but most do not. I was fortunate in earning my RN and then LVN at community college. By the time I went for my BSN I was earning RN wages. 

The lack of opportunities have been going on a long time. 

 

Herring your post is a bit historical and does shed some light, but present day programs are there for the poor moreso than middle class people whose parents can't afford the high tuition but don't qualify and their kids have to get loans.  That's what I'm saying.

I too was making RN wages when I went to get my BSN and thus was on my own entirely and took out student loans for the tuition because I just don't have $10K laying around for such things.  

That the poor are less likely to go to college and get an education, more likely to perform poorly in pre-college education, and that not all schools are created equal is another issue entirely.   

I'm not saying the poor are unworthy.  Yes, and you really have to be real poor to get financial aid.  People that one might consider "poor" don't get aid and have to get loans.  I get that too.

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If you’re my age or younger, you were in high school when the school shootings became widespread; you’re going to be dealing with climate change…you’re going to be dealing with the consequences of what they’ve done to the debt; you’re on track to be the first generation ever to make less than your parents. 

 

Interesting review of Mayor Pete's book.  He's part of the largest population group in history and I think if he can tap into these progressive concerns of that generation, if he can get them to care as passionately as he does, he might be on to something.  

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/07/18/mayor-pete-buttigieg-road-taken/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR Ginzburg Buttigieg Reagan&utm_content=NYR Ginzburg Buttigieg Reagan+CID_f2640340e007e0a7871cb4c90bb4bfbc&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=The Road Taken

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