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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yep, right to the tactic to demonize.  Liberals can’t debate the issue.  They go strait to the conservatives are evil card.  Same ol song.

For example, the budget includes spending increases within education.  Some might call them “bold new ideas”.

“School choice proponents are the clear winner in Trump’s 2019 spending plan, which aims to invest $1 billion in “opportunity grants” to create a private school voucher program. The request also includes $500 million in charter school funding, a $160 million increase in the federal government’s current investment in the schools. STEM education would also get a boost from the budget proposal, which includes $200 million in grants for science, technology, engineering, and math programs.”

https://www.the74million.org/by-the-numbers-president-trumps-10-biggest-proposed-cuts-to-u-s-education-ranked/

And of course, Trump's proposed budget contains some $845 Billion in reductions for Medicare.

Keep spinning.

 

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59 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Big belly laugh here, over calling increased funding for charter schools as something that is good for children.

Big belly laugh!

It is nothing more than capitalism moving into the classroom, so that so person, and persons, in the way of stockholders can find another way to make money.

Agree.  School choice is nothing more than putting the elite and moneyed at an advantage.  School choice doesn't work for the poor who may not have transportation to the school of their choice.  Schools will also have the ability to decline admission to those who don't fit their profile.  I am a huge believer in public education and neighborhood schools.  Let's put money and effort towards improving public education for EVERYONE.  But oh, I forgot.  The secretary of education is the eminently unqualified Betsy de Vos, who knows nothing about public education.

 

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4 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

No, not based on the rantings of one stranger.  You asked for a personal example and I gave you one.  I'm sure you can look up the several members of Congress who have said incredibly ignorant things about women, abortion, and rape.  

It's hard to claim ignorance if one seeks out credible information. Once you are informed and aware all denials become lies rather than lack of knowledge. 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

I too have been subject to the rants of the pro-fetus crowd.

Last October, in front of Amy McGrath headquarters, two pro-fetus protesters turned up, with signs, etc.

I tried to engage them civilly, and bring up issues that should concern all of those who claim to care about life.

They either, couldn't, or wouldn't discuss anything besides the fetus.

Btw, these aren't the only pro-fetus people I have ever met. Just the most recent.

I try to stay away from them, as best as possible.

Most of us are familiar with the religious and emotional rants and misrepresentations of the pro fetus/forced birth advocates.  Feigned ignorance of the realities of these groups is common among Trump supporters.  It reminds me that some of the very same people also claim to be unaware of Trump lies, law breaking, or bigotry/racism.  It appears that wilful ignorance may be a strategy. 

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6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's hard to claim ignorance if one seeks out credible information. Once you are informed and aware all denials become lies rather than lack of knowledge. 

Beautifully stated, baloney.

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Most of us are familiar with the religious and emotional rants and misrepresentations of the pro fetus/forced birth advocates.  Feigned ignorance of the realities of these groups is common among Trump supporters.  It reminds me that some of the very same people also claim to be unaware of Trump lies, law breaking, or bigotry/racism.  It appears that wilful ignorance may be a strategy. 

Completely agree, baloney.

Willful ignorance has been used by Trump supporters for quite a while.

Also, the disingenuous, "prove it to me," strategy is another frequently employed by the grouo.

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Hey, what about the proposal by the Social Security Administration to scour the Social media postings of disability recipients?

I would expect those on the right, who abhor government intrusion to speak up against this Trumpian idea, but they have been silent.

Oh, right, forgot that the right only supports government intrusion when it applies to women, children, the disabled and anyone else not deemed a "job creator."

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The for profit insurance industry has been doing this for awhile. I have friends who experienced this scrutiny as their worker's comp claims were being questioned. They couldn't say that the injury didn't happen on the job so they try to suggest that the injury isn't terrible enough to warrant the physician recommended care. 

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15 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yep, right to the tactic to demonize.  Liberals can’t debate the issue.  They go strait to the conservatives are evil card.  Same ol song.

For example, the budget includes spending increases within education.  Some might call them “bold new ideas”.

“School choice proponents are the clear winner in Trump’s 2019 spending plan, which aims to invest $1 billion in “opportunity grants” to create a private school voucher program. The request also includes $500 million in charter school funding, a $160 million increase in the federal government’s current investment in the schools. STEM education would also get a boost from the budget proposal, which includes $200 million in grants for science, technology, engineering, and math programs.”

https://www.the74million.org/by-the-numbers-president-trumps-10-biggest-proposed-cuts-to-u-s-education-ranked/

DeVos' Michigan schools experiment gets poor grades

Despite two decades of charter-school growth, the state’s overall academic progress has failed to keep pace with other states...

 ...   Michigan ranks near the bottom for fourth- and eighth-grade math and fourth-grade reading on a nationally representative test, nicknamed the “Nation’s Report Card.” Notably, the state’s charter schools scored worse on that test than their traditional public-school counterparts, according to an analysis of federal data...

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-michigan-school-experiment-232399 

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12 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

And of course, Trump's proposed budget contains some $845 Billion in reductions for Medicare.

Keep spinning.

What President Trump’s proposed budget cuts could mean for senior citizens

The president’s proposed budget for next year could spell trouble for older Americans — but not if Congress has anything to say about it (and it will).

The record $4.7 trillion federal budget for 2020 calls for a 5% cut to social programs, including $845 billion from Medicare, $1.5 trillion from Medicaid and as much as $84 billion in Social Security disability benefits, all to be implemented over the next 10 years if passed...

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/8336EBD8-44F7-11E9-941F-9DD58265ED8A

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22 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yep, right to the tactic to demonize.  Liberals can’t debate the issue.  They go strait to the conservatives are evil card.  Same ol song.

For example, the budget includes spending increases within education.  Some might call them “bold new ideas”.

“School choice proponents are the clear winner in Trump’s 2019 spending plan, which aims to invest $1 billion in “opportunity grants” to create a private school voucher program. The request also includes $500 million in charter school funding, a $160 million increase in the federal government’s current investment in the schools. STEM education would also get a boost from the budget proposal, which includes $200 million in grants for science, technology, engineering, and math programs.”

https://www.the74million.org/by-the-numbers-president-trumps-10-biggest-proposed-cuts-to-u-s-education-ranked/

What you call a tactic to demonize, I call it looking at the budget and criticizing what's wrong.  Yes, you can point out the winners (and school voucher problem to unregulated schools isn't one of them) is there anything wrong with pointing out what we don't like?  

Surely you're not all that sensitive.

 Every budget proposal in my lifetime has been picked apart.  It's how it's done, it's actually how things go through "well, I don't like the school voucher program, but I'll give you that, but you're going to have to get rid of wall funding, and up the programs for the poor"....etc.  

Don't worry, you'll have your turn when a Democrat Party President proposes a budget and you're side will not name one good thing, but criticize it as socialism that is going to bankrupt the country and maybe we'll hear from the Tea Party again getting concerned about the deficit.

 

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

What you call a tactic to demonize, I call it looking at the budget and criticizing what's wrong.  Yes, you can point out the winners (and school voucher problem to unregulated schools isn't one of them) is there anything wrong with pointing out what we don't like?  

Surely you're not all that sensitive.

 Every budget proposal in my lifetime has been picked apart.  It's how it's done, it's actually how things go through "well, I don't like the school voucher program, but I'll give you that, but you're going to have to get rid of wall funding, and up the programs for the poor"....etc.  

 

 

Of course, the budget should be critically analyzed.  I was replying to a poster, who all had to say about it was “Doesn't sound like our government really cares about children's lives and well being after they are born.”

 

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