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56 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Men and women equally have similar views on abortion.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235646/men-women-generally-hold-similar-abortion-attitudes.aspx

Your statement about pro-fetus folks not giving a whit about children after their born is a bunch of bs.  Just another example of liberals demonizing others with a different point if view.  

In your opinion, bs.

Not mine.

Let's take a look at Trump's proposed budget ideas.

Cuts to the food stamp program.

Cuts to EPA.

Just to name a few items on his conservative agenda.

Who benefits the most from food stamp programs?

My guess would be children.

Who benefits the most from clean air and water regulations?

Obviously, all of us, but I would argue children really benefit the most.

The pro-fetus crowd has dubbed Trump the most pro-life president ever.

That, is of course, bs.

 

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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

Men and women equally have similar views on abortion.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235646/men-women-generally-hold-similar-abortion-attitudes.aspx

Your statement about pro-fetus folks not giving a whit about children after their born is a bunch of bs.  Just another example of liberals demonizing others with a different point if view.  

I, personally, chose not to demonize anyone.

I believe in letting the actions and beliefs of others, define them, rather than me doing the defining.

Unlike some, I believe others when they show me who they really are.

So, really, I let folks demonize themselves.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

In your opinion it is BS. Currently Republicans are defending the Trump agenda and practice of separating children from families at the southern border as a deterrent. That's not BS. Current Republican political agenda includes a roughly 29% cut to SNAP and a 20% cut to CHIP.  That's not BS. 

Not to mention the new proposed budget which calls for huge cuts in education and housing assistance for the poor.  Doesn't sound like our government really cares about children's lives and well being after they are born.  Seems like they are doing a fine job demonizing themselves.  Doesn't sound like BS to me.

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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

That doesn’t really offer insight.  I’ve heard that all before.  She took an incident, if it even happened, and used it over thirty years to demonize those on the other side of the issue.  In that whole article, it doesn’t indicate she’s ever even one time had a discussion with someone on the other side.

I asked you specifically what kind of discussions you’ve personally had with pro-life or pro-fetus that indicate their point of view is born from wanting to control women’s bodies and decision making.  And this is what you pointed me to.  

Ok, here's a personal example from a personal experience I've had.  I had a patient go off on a tear ( not provoked or responded to by me, as I do not discuss politics or religion at work) about how abortion needed to be criminalized because many women don't know how to keep their legs together, and they shouldn't be able to get assistance or aid like food stamps and Section 8 housing because that rewards their "bad behavior" and encourages them to have more children.  Not a word about the men who impregnate these loose women, no compassion for taking care of these children once they are born.  That's pro-fetus for you, and clearly demonstrates his disdain for women and his desire to control, or at least punish women for their so-called immoral behavior. I think many evangelicals and ultra right wing conservatives share these views and demonize women.  On the other side, I have a friend who is staunchly anti-abortion and feels abortion should be illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, but  also feels equally as strong about providing assistance to children and families to enable them to have food, shelter, education, and medical care. Her beliefs don't conveniently end once the child is born.  She has also volunteered to go to the Mexican border to help refugee families.  That's pro-life.   

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9 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

Ok, here's a personal example from a personal experience I've had.  I had a patient go off on a tear ( not provoked or responded to by me, as I do not discuss politics or religion at work) about how abortion needed to be criminalized because many women don't know how to keep their legs together, and they shouldn't be able to get assistance or aid like food stamps and Section 8 housing because that rewards their "bad behavior" and encourages them to have more children.  Not a word about the men who impregnate these loose women, no compassion for taking care of these children once they are born.  That's pro-fetus for you, and clearly demonstrates his disdain for women and his desire to control, or at least punish women for their so-called immoral behavior. I think many evangelicals and ultra right wing conservatives share these views and demonize women.  On the other side, I have a friend who is staunchly anti-abortion and feels abortion should be illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, but  also feels equally as strong about providing assistance to children and families to enable them to have food, shelter, education, and medical care. Her beliefs don't conveniently end once the child is born.  She has also volunteered to go to the Mexican border to help refugee families.  That's pro-life.   

I can't like this enough.

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9 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

I think many evangelicals and ultra right wing conservatives share these views and demonize women.  

Based on the spontaneous ranting of a stranger in the hospital?

Yes, there are some like him.  I guess I don’t understand why you believe that person is more the norm over those like your friend.

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10 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

Not to mention the new proposed budget which calls for huge cuts in education and housing assistance for the poor.  Doesn't sound like our government really cares about children's lives and well being after they are born.  Seems like they are doing a fine job demonizing themselves.  Doesn't sound like BS to me.

Yep, right to the tactic to demonize.  Liberals can’t debate the issue.  They go strait to the conservatives are evil card.  Same ol song.

For example, the budget includes spending increases within education.  Some might call them “bold new ideas”.

“School choice proponents are the clear winner in Trump’s 2019 spending plan, which aims to invest $1 billion in “opportunity grants” to create a private school voucher program. The request also includes $500 million in charter school funding, a $160 million increase in the federal government’s current investment in the schools. STEM education would also get a boost from the budget proposal, which includes $200 million in grants for science, technology, engineering, and math programs.”

https://www.the74million.org/by-the-numbers-president-trumps-10-biggest-proposed-cuts-to-u-s-education-ranked/

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It would seem that DeVos is doing a good job of privatizing public education.  Of course, Michigan already demonstrated how this transfer of public funds to charter schools failed the students on a state level, it seems only natural that Republicans would want to do the same thing on a national level. 

Did you know that the DeVos family provides funding for the74milliom? Nobody has a bigger platform to demonize a person or organization than the name calling bully in chief. He is the poster child of inability to debate an issue resulting in name calling and demonization.  

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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

Based on the spontaneous ranting of a stranger in the hospital?

Yes, there are some like him.  I guess I don’t understand why you believe that person is more the norm over those like your friend.

I too have been subject to the rants of the pro-fetus crowd.

Last October, in front of Amy McGrath headquarters, two pro-fetus protesters turned up, with signs, etc.

I tried to engage them civilly, and bring up issues that should concern all of those who claim to care about life.

They either, couldn't, or wouldn't discuss anything besides the fetus.

Btw, these aren't the only pro-fetus people I have ever met. Just the most recent.

I try to stay away from them, as best as possible.

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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yep, right to the tactic to demonize.  Liberals can’t debate the issue.  They go strait to the conservatives are evil card.  Same ol song.

For example, the budget includes spending increases within education.  Some might call them “bold new ideas”.

“School choice proponents are the clear winner in Trump’s 2019 spending plan, which aims to invest $1 billion in “opportunity grants” to create a private school voucher program. The request also includes $500 million in charter school funding, a $160 million increase in the federal government’s current investment in the schools. STEM education would also get a boost from the budget proposal, which includes $200 million in grants for science, technology, engineering, and math programs.”

https://www.the74million.org/by-the-numbers-president-trumps-10-biggest-proposed-cuts-to-u-s-education-ranked/

Big belly laugh here, over calling increased funding for charter schools as something that is good for children.

Big belly laugh!

It is nothing more than capitalism moving into the classroom, so that so person, and persons, in the way of stockholders can find another way to make money.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yep, right to the tactic to demonize.  Liberals can’t debate the issue.  They go strait to the conservatives are evil card.  Same ol song.

For example, the budget includes spending increases within education.  Some might call them “bold new ideas”.

“School choice proponents are the clear winner in Trump’s 2019 spending plan, which aims to invest $1 billion in “opportunity grants” to create a private school voucher program. The request also includes $500 million in charter school funding, a $160 million increase in the federal government’s current investment in the schools. STEM education would also get a boost from the budget proposal, which includes $200 million in grants for science, technology, engineering, and math programs.”

https://www.the74million.org/by-the-numbers-president-trumps-10-biggest-proposed-cuts-to-u-s-education-ranked/

Spin, spin and more spin.

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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Based on the spontaneous ranting of a stranger in the hospital?

Yes, there are some like him.  I guess I don’t understand why you believe that person is more the norm over those like your friend.

No, not based on the rantings of one stranger.  You asked for a personal example and I gave you one.  I'm sure you can look up the several members of Congress who have said incredibly ignorant things about women, abortion, and rape.  

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