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12 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Candidates, potential candidates, and others support 70-90% top tax rate.

Jake Tapper supports class warfare.  From my perspective, he’s not alone.  

Dont be afraid of the socialist title.  There are a few Dems are calling themselves socialists, and a recent poll of millennials shows a large percentage of them favor socialism.

Lots of Americans favor federal spending which prioritizes the general welfare of the people over corporate interests.  

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8 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Candidates, potential candidates, and others support 70-90% top tax rate.

Jake Tapper supports class warfare.  From my perspective, he’s not alone.  

Dont be afraid of the socialist title.  There are a few Dems are calling themselves socialists, and a recent poll of millennials shows a large percentage of them favor socialism.

I'm not afraid of the Socialist title.  I just don't like how it's spit out like it's a dirty word.  Or hearing Eric Trump saying criticizing the Democratic agenda by saying that Americans shouldn't be handed things and should work for them.   

https://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-socialist-and-democratic-socialist-2018-6

I've read the same surveys that millennials favor socialism.  They were really stung by the great recession, as we were all, and I think that factors into it.  It's no coincidence that the Great Recession has seen the rise of the Social Democrats.  Just like the great depression saw the rise of social welfare programs like Social Security, FDIC, FHA to name a few.

Again, I don't really know enough about the proposals of the 70% tax rate to have an opinion.   However, I believe during some very prosperous times in our country tax rates on the rich were very high at a time when capitalism thrived.  In fact post World War II when the middle class was invented and the American middle class grew so strong and large it was the economic engine for the entire world, tax rates on high earners was high.  Still those high earners and corporations themselves became rich and powerful.  Maybe we can make America great again.

https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/01/24/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-70-tax-plan-what-all-ame.aspx

 

Again, it all goes down to fundamental beliefs.  Are taxes "stealing hard earned money", are social welfare programs "giving people handouts and free stuff that takes away their drive to work hard". 

 I'm not entirely for socialism myself.  I think we need to show so common sense and we can't be like Norway and pay people to be off for having babies, and give them all a packet of goods when they give birth.  But I do think we can do better.   Personally, I'd rather live in a socialist country where citizens don't have to set up a GoFundMe account when they get sick, or where the size of your wallet doesn't determine the type of education you receive, if you receive one at all, or where a good deal of your paycheck goes to school loans rather than stimulating the economy, that our current system.  

Which is not to say I don't favor capitalism, because I do.  During those thriving post-World War II days we weren't a socialist country, we were capitalists.  Capitalism has lifted us up to a very good life, and like I said invented the middle class.  Capitalism has lifted countries like China and Vietnam out of extreme poverty.  I know it works and I rather like it.

And please don't give the typical "If you don't like America, then leave." response.  Thanks.

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22 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm not afraid of the Socialist title.  I just don't like how it's spit out like it's a dirty word.  Or hearing Eric Trump saying criticizing the Democratic agenda by saying that Americans shouldn't be handed things and should work for them.   

https://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-socialist-and-democratic-socialist-2018-6

I've read the same surveys that millennials favor socialism.  They were really stung by the great recession, as we were all, and I think that factors into it.  It's no coincidence that the Great Recession has seen the rise of the Social Democrats.  Just like the great depression saw the rise of social welfare programs like Social Security, FDIC, FHA to name a few.

Again, I don't really know enough about the proposals of the 70% tax rate to have an opinion.   However, I believe during some very prosperous times in our country tax rates on the rich were very high at a time when capitalism thrived.  In fact post World War II when the middle class was invented and the American middle class grew so strong and large it was the economic engine for the entire world, tax rates on high earners was high.  Still those high earners and corporations themselves became rich and powerful.  Maybe we can make America great again.

https://www.fool.com/taxes/2019/01/24/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-70-tax-plan-what-all-ame.aspx

 

Again, it all goes down to fundamental beliefs.  Are taxes "stealing hard earned money", are social welfare programs "giving people handouts and free stuff that takes away their drive to work hard". 

 I'm not entirely for socialism myself.  I think we need to show so common sense and we can't be like Norway and pay people to be off for having babies, and give them all a packet of goods when they give birth.  But I do think we can do better.   Personally, I'd rather live in a socialist country where citizens don't have to set up a GoFundMe account when they get sick, or where the size of your wallet doesn't determine the type of education you receive, if you receive one at all, or where a good deal of your paycheck goes to school loans rather than stimulating the economy, that our current system.  

Which is not to say I don't favor capitalism, because I do.  During those thriving post-World War II days we weren't a socialist country, we were capitalists.  Capitalism has lifted us up to a very good life, and like I said invented the middle class.  Capitalism has lifted countries like China and Vietnam out of extreme poverty.  I know it works and I rather like it.

And please don't give the typical "If you don't like America, then leave." response.  Thanks.

Great post that shows we’re not very far apart on our concerns.  Where are disagreements are is on how to solve these problems.

However, I’ve never uttered anything close to the “typical response”.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Great post that shows we’re not very far apart on our concerns.  Where are disagreements are is on how to solve these problems.

However, I’ve never uttered anything close to the “typical response”.

 

 

Thank you.  I certainly don't have all the answers on how to solve these problems.

Glad to hear you haven't uttered the "typical response".  I've gotten it before.

Yes, I understand there's a fundamental difference in how to approach things.  I do know that if things continue as they are and Republicans and anti-socialists remain in power, there's going to have to be a debate on whether lower wage earners get to keep their tax cut.  I understand that it would be suicide not to renew and they'd have to somehow come up with a way to continue to pay for it, but it's a shame we are headed towards that debate when it should be the other way around. 

The 2020 races should be interesting.  Still hate that we're already talking about it.  😂

 

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16 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

I hope nobody thought I was leaving the thread because I felt I was being attacked!

No.

I had something unfortunate, come up in my personal life that is going to require my attention over the next few days and possibly weeks.

And it isn't my job.

I wish it was that easy. But it isn't.

Catch you all later.

Nel-thinking of you and hope all will be well.

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And we certainly don't go with the will of the people either.

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He doesn't stand a chance, not only because he's gay but because he's only a mayor of a small town and that hardly qualifies him. I think he's doing this just for publicity to get his name known outside of his town in Indiana. However, I really admire him for stepping up and being out and proud. It's how it should be. I wish he'd waited until maybe he's won some other offices in his state and moved up the political ladder first and maybe in 20 he'd stand a chance, as being gay isn't a big deal with millennial voters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-married-gay-man-is-running-for-president-that-s-a-big-deal/ar-BBSEbp2?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280&fbclid=IwAR2vZG5XS6POD2Slss6fNru6YKSmHvq4TQxrmIWnsBxGzIeUkxYyYjQy3o4

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6 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Here's an article that Dude mentioned in another thread about left-leaning Washington Post calling our Harris.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/13/kamala-harris-leaps-unwarranted-conclusions-tax-tweet/?utm_term=.e4cacb2eeabd

Unless Congress votes to deepen the deficit by making the middle income tax benefit permanent, the result will be a tax increase for middle and low income workers,  the majority of the country.

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5 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Unless Congress votes to deepen the deficit by making the middle income tax benefit permanent, the result will be a tax increase for middle and low income workers,  the majority of the country.

True, and the rest of the paragraph you are referring to above states " But Harris presented these facts without nuance or qualification, making it appear as though the smaller tax refunds were evidence of a tax hike on the middle class. In reality, the size of a tax refund reflects nothing about the size of a tax cut or tax increase — and at least in 2018, the vast majority of middle-class Americans can expect to pay less in taxes as a result of the Trump tax law."

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