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Did President Trump-Pence administration drop the ball?

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4 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

I'm sure those losing their jobs and businesses are comforted by the advice to go for walks and stay connected on social media.

I'm interested on your take of your governor getting rid of travel restrictions?  It seems to go against your belief that strict policies should be in place until we have a cure or vaccine.

I am not happy with everything Beshear does.

We still have lots of new cases in KY, 252, yesterday.

But I am thankful he is governor at this time, rather than Trumpster, Matt Bevin.

I have already stated, many, many, times the safeguards in place for those who have lost jobs.

If folks are unhappy with those safeguards, and rightfully so, they need to take their military-style weapons and protest outside the WH, and outside Mitch McConnell's office.

Republicans are quick to want to "open up," but slow to take up more economic stimulus measures.

They want to wait and see.

Wait and see if most Americans will believe the snake oil salesman, Donald John Trump, and shop and eat out like it is 2019?

Most Americans have rejected the snake oil.

I will not eat out. Not even take out.

I will not buy clothing at brick and motor retail outlets.

I have taken my Persian to the pet groomer.

She works out of her home. Has a very small clientele, and doesn't leave her house because she is diabetic and overweight.

I took Wally to her, after restrictions were lifted.

I left him in his carrier in driveway, and make no contact with her.

I have made hair appointment for June 10. That gives me time to see where we stand with new cases, as hair salons can open May 25.

If cases go up, I will cancel. I can live without hair appointment.

I have pushed my dentist appointment back, to the middle of June, for the same reason.

Again, I believe in making educated choices.

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19 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Given that unemployment and economic recession aren't the actual goals of the disease mitigation efforts and strategies, your question seems confused.  But then, that is the flawed reasoning that Trump and other liars count upon in this era of conmen, grifters and charlatans. 

Play number three: Deflection.

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I watched Beshear's pandemic briefing on Thursday or Friday this week...he was accurate and had a reassuring tone...

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Just now, toomuchbaloney said:

I watched Beshear's pandemic briefing on Thursday or Friday this week...he was accurate and had a reassuring tone...

I am happy with his performance.

Again, I don't agree with everything he does, I think the "opening" is moving too quickly, but he is doing the best he can, and better, than many others.

I am not religious at all, but he uses his faith as an example, as to why Kentuckians should care about one another.

It almost makes me want to visit his church!

And that Team Kentucky Fund is something I am proud of.

Does Georgia have a Team Georgia Fund to help unemployed Georgians?

Anybody know?

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25 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

I am not happy with everything Beshear does.

We still have lots of new cases in KY, 252, yesterday.

But I am thankful he is governor at this time, rather than Trumpster, Matt Bevin.

I have already stated, many, many, times the safeguards in place for those who have lost jobs.

If folks are unhappy with those safeguards, and rightfully so, they need to take their military-style weapons and protest outside the WH, and outside Mitch McConnell's office.

Republicans are quick to want to "open up," but slow to take up more economic stimulus measures.

They want to wait and see.

Wait and see if most Americans will believe the snake oil salesman, Donald John Trump, and shop and eat out like it is 2019?

Most Americans have rejected the snake oil.

I will not eat out. Not even take out.

I will not buy clothing at brick and motor retail outlets.

I have taken my Persian to the pet groomer.

She works out of her home. Has a very small clientele, and doesn't leave her house because she is diabetic and overweight.

I took Wally to her, after restrictions were lifted.

I left him in his carrier in driveway, and make no contact with her.

I have made hair appointment for June 10. That gives me time to see where we stand with new cases, as hair salons can open May 25.

If cases go up, I will cancel. I can live without hair appointment.

I have pushed my dentist appointment back, to the middle of June, for the same reason.

Again, I believe in making educated choices.

What a leader sounds like. Reopening needs a plan #lives over profit.

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5 hours ago, luv2 said:

You are agreeing with Trump people's lives do not matter as long the money is being made.

Yes.  Money and the economy is more important than people dying.  

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Cuomo praises Kentucky governor for standing up to McConnell on bankruptcy for states

“Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear stood up, said to his senior senator in the state, Mitch McConnell, that Mitch McConnell was wrong on saying that he wouldn’t provide funding to state and local governments, and wrong in saying states should go bankrupt,” Cuomo said in his daily press briefing.

“It’s hard for a governor, especially Andy, who is a relatively new governor, to stand up to a senior official and speak truth to power,” Cuomo said. “It takes guts, it takes courage. And you don’t get that from a typical politician. So it warms my heart to see an elected official who is not a typical politician. Thank you, governor.”...

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494826-cuomo-praises-kentucky-governor-for-standing-up-to-mcconnell

 

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And as much as I love to ride horses, I haven't ridden since March 16.

Riding facilities were closed.

And now, I would only take a lesson outdoors. 

I wouldn't take a lesson in an enclosed area, like an indoor arena.

Waiting for the rain to stop, so I can take outdoor lesson.

I have my own equipment, except for Kenny, my lesson horse.

Again, educated choices.

Which is why I am not going to meet up friends, when restrictions are lifted.

Electronic communication is just fine, for me!

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23 minutes ago, luv2 said:

What a leader sounds like. Reopening needs a plan #lives over profit.

I agree that reopening requires a plan, probably many plans.

And it is the lack of a true plan, that has me concerned.

But Americans appear to be divided into two camps: Those who listen to the scientific experts, and those who listen to Trump.

Fortunately, the latter group is small, and may just end up infecting each other.

Like the barber in upstate NY, who continued cutting hair, despite restrictions. He has now tested positive, as have several of his clients.

 

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On 5/15/2020 at 8:55 PM, Lucylu71 said:

Yes, so that means even less percentage of people then first thought are getting sick and dying.  So, I guess it's not as bad as previously thought.

You and a few others seem to be stuck on me saying covid-19 isnt that bad. It seems the context in which I discuss this gets lost.

Anytime I point out statistics or facts that might suggest "it's not that bad", it's in the context of a discussion about the timing of  relaxing the restrictions being placed on our society.  

The fact that it is more transmissible that we had initially thought is not good news.  It would be good news if this were a type of virus where the person develops T-cell immunity after an infection, but Coronaviruses produce B-cell immunity with antibodies typically only providing immunity for about 4 months to a year at best.  And regardless of the percentage infected, it doesn't change that we've had more than 80,000 deaths in only two months due to COVID-19.  Whether that's 80,000 out of 80,000 infections or 80,000 out of 300 million infections, it's still about 40k deaths per month in total.  

 

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On 5/15/2020 at 9:01 PM, Lucylu71 said:

How many times do I need to say that I'm not a proponent of completely getting rid of mitigation efforts?  

What level of unemployment and economic recession should we be aiming for?  

We should be aiming for the least damaging economic impacts we can obtain, which is completely dependent on how well we mitigate the spread and effects of the disease.  

Being unnecessarily aggressive with mitigation certainly can harm the economy and jobs, although it's a bell curve; failing to adequately mitigate can be far more harmful to the economy.  

My business, a restaurant, is completely dependent on effective mitigation.  That doesn't mean mitigation doesn't effect my business, I'm not doing as well as if I could still have a packed restaurant.  But I need staff and customers that aren't sick or dead to do well even with just carry-out only.  I need the spread to be reasonably well contained for people to feel safe even just picking up food.  I need my suppliers as well.  It doesn't take all that much more of a rate of transmission for me to lose some of these links in the chain that keeps it going.  

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As of this morning, close to 90,000 Americans are dead because of CVirus.

And it only took two months, to reach the 90k mark.

And what is Donald John Trump doing?

He is firing Watchdogs.

He is spreading a conspiracy theory.

He is telling lies: It will just disappear.

He is telling lies: There will be a vaccine by the end of the year.

He is telling lies: The US is doing more testing than any other nation.

He is telling lies: We have this under control.

Trumpsters ought to be ashamed.

 

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