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9 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The economic panic is occurring on it's own.  That's what happens when people lose their jobs and businesses.  

What has exacerbated it all is that people bought into "stay at home" because it was going to cause a few million deaths, and we couldn't overwhelm the healthcare system.

Although we still have more to learn, we know a lot more about the disease. And, it was never going to kill millions, and except for a few outliers the healthcare system was never overwhelmed.  Governors in some places keep moving the goalposts.  That is encouraging economic panic.

I heard a headline today that LA is going to extend stay at home for three months.  Sure.  That place will burn to the ground before that happens.

I said two months ago that lockdown wasnt sustainable for very long as people weren't just going to sit around and watch their businesses go down the drain and the economy tank.  We're seeing evidence of that. 

 

Americans are truly a sorry lot, these days.

A subset, is unwilling to self-sacrifice for even three months!

Good grief.

How long did folks self-sacrifice during WWII?

How many YEARS?

Nowadays, a subset of Americans whine about missing two months of haircuts.

Pathetic!

Economic panic?

Not among the right-wing Trumpsters showing up to state houses armed with military-style weapons.

How much does an AR-15 sell for?

I saw a picture of one guy in NC, with what appeared to a rocket launcher.

How much do you think that thing cost?

Nice try. But it just isn't true.

More Trumpster propaganda.

You know who IS probably feeling economic panic?

The low-wage, minority front-line workers at meat packing plants, grocery stores, Lowe's and Home Depot.

But those folks aren't the ones showing up to "protest" at state houses, armed like Rambo wannabes.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I think it's interesting that the Go Fund Me page was created the day before Ms. Luther reopened her salon. 

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/dallas-salon-arrest-gofundme/

But I do commend her for reportedly helping out others. Call me a skeptic though because I'd like to see the receipts . 

But as Chare posted, her "help" is going to right-wingers like herself, committing illegal acts which potentially endanger the general public.

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2 hours ago, chare said:

GoFundMe page created 23 April also raised $500,040.  She is donating an undisclosed amount to support others arrested for violation of the order as well.

Chare, I am expecting we will discover this fraudster running for elected office in TX very soon.

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12 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The economic panic is occurring on it's own.  That's what happens when people lose their jobs and businesses.  

What has exacerbated it all is that people bought into "stay at home" because it was going to cause a few million deaths, and we couldn't overwhelm the healthcare system.

Although we still have more to learn, we know a lot more about the disease. And, it was never going to kill millions, and except for a few outliers the healthcare system was never overwhelmed.  Governors in some places keep moving the goalposts.  That is encouraging economic panic.

I heard a headline today that LA is going to extend stay at home for three months.  Sure.  That place will burn to the ground before that happens.

I said two months ago that lockdown wasnt sustainable for very long as people weren't just going to sit around and watch their businesses go down the drain and the economy tank.  We're seeing evidence of that. 

 

Except, unfortunately for Trump supporters, there is actual evidence of Trump fanning those flames of panic.  And unfortunately for republicans it was statements from legislators, like Tom Cotton and Lindsay Graham, who claimed that more than $1200 in a one time payment would make ask the working and poor class Americans too lazy to work.  Clearly THEY aren't worried about people starving.

That's a pretty big claim, that COVID was never going to kill millions. Trump, himself used the 2.3 million deaths number to justify his finally talking the stay at home order seriously. Of course, those aren't Trump's numbers...Trump says that this is all under control and the numbers will soon be zero. So, just for giggles, why not share the information that has you convinced that had we continued on Trump's January and February and early March plan for allowing the virus to run through the country that we wouldn't be planning for 2 million plus deaths?

We have people staying home while their small family businesses collapse knowing that their republican leadership cares most about large wealthy corporations.  And we have politically motivated protesters who want haircuts, bar dates and an opportunity to model their rifles and costumes. 

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And now, another state in which right-wing extremists are using assault weapons to aid illegal activity.

From today's NY Times:

Some TX Businesses Turn To Armed Defiance Of Lockdowns

We are turning into a lawless nation, as these right-wing Trumpsters prepare to "die" for the right to kill others, egged on by the moron in the WH.

Maybe TX law officers will take these extremists up on their offer, who knows?

Gosh. The tattoo parlor owner says they lost between $5000-$10,000. That amount could easily have been covered by small business loan program.

No need to call the Goon Squad.

Why aren't these armed extremists in DC, outside the WH, demanding their government do more to aid those impacted by downturn brought on by CVirus?

Hmm.

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Armed militia-style protesters have helped businesses across Texas defy coronavirus lockdowns and reopen. Protesters say they are enforcing the Constitution.

SHEPHERD, Texas — When Jamie Williams decided to reopen her East Texas tattoo studio last week in defiance of the state’s coronavirus restrictions, she asked Philip Archibald for help. He showed up with his dog Zeus, his friends and his AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

Mr. Archibald established an armed perimeter in the parking lot outside Crash-N-Burn Tattoo, secured by five men with military-style rifles, tactical shotguns, camouflage vests and walkie-talkies...

...   Call it the armed reopening. While Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this month allowed a wide range of malls, restaurants and other businesses to reopen after a coronavirus lockdown, bars, salons, tattoo parlors and other enterprises where social distancing is more difficult were ordered to remain closed for a longer period....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/coronavirus-texas-armed-militias-reopening.html

The Great Depression had vigilantes harassing and sometimes killing Okies for the crime of being poor and homeless. 

 

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2 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

Armed militia-style protesters have helped businesses across Texas defy coronavirus lockdowns and reopen. Protesters say they are enforcing the Constitution.

SHEPHERD, Texas — When Jamie Williams decided to reopen her East Texas tattoo studio last week in defiance of the state’s coronavirus restrictions, she asked Philip Archibald for help. He showed up with his dog Zeus, his friends and his AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

Mr. Archibald established an armed perimeter in the parking lot outside Crash-N-Burn Tattoo, secured by five men with military-style rifles, tactical shotguns, camouflage vests and walkie-talkies...

...   Call it the armed reopening. While Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this month allowed a wide range of malls, restaurants and other businesses to reopen after a coronavirus lockdown, bars, salons, tattoo parlors and other enterprises where social distancing is more difficult were ordered to remain closed for a longer period....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/coronavirus-texas-armed-militias-reopening.html

The Great Depression had vigilantes harassing and sometimes killing Okies for the crime of being poor and homeless. 

 

Thanks for posting, herring.

And of course, I love video of Bruce!

I had an elderly patient last night, who told me she suffered from rickets as a child, because her rural family was poor and didn't always have enough food to eat, let alone proper nutrition.

She told me about leaving home at 14, and renting space on a woman's enclosed porch, not even a room, in Lexington.

She went on to have a good life.

I compare and contrast her story of REAL financial hardship, with that of the TX hairdresser and tattoo parlor owner.

And the whining done today, over such a small sacrifice, just leaves me embarrassed for these Americans.

They certainly aren't hardy enough to survive genocide, like what we see in Syria and Myanmar.

And they certainly aren't mentally tough enough to survive mass migration, like what we see at our southern border.

Pathetic, really.

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I posted about our Mom's family recently. Grandma prevented rickets with cod liver oil. When my grandfather got work they bought big sacks of flour, cornmeal, powdered milk, dry beans, rice, sugar, salt, and coffee. When they had nothing else she made cornbread on a fire by the side of a road, made gravy with flour and grease saved in a can. The family and other hungry people ate all the cornbread and gravy as they wanted, and ate gathered greens by the road.   My Mom, Uncle, and aunt remembered good times during those years. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Thanks for posting, herring.

And of course, I love video of Bruce!

I had an elderly patient last night, who told me she suffered from rickets as a child, because her rural family was poor and didn't always have enough food to eat, let alone proper nutrition.

She told me about leaving home at 14, and renting space on a woman's enclosed porch, not even a room, in Lexington.

She went on to have a good life.

I compare and contrast her story of REAL financial hardship, with that of the TX hairdresser and tattoo parlor owner.

And the whining done today, over such a small sacrifice, just leaves me embarrassed for these Americans.

They certainly aren't hardy enough to survive genocide, like what we see in Syria and Myanmar.

And they certainly aren't mentally tough enough to survive mass migration, like what we see at our southern border.

Pathetic, really.

I don’t have statistics, but I suspect that many, if not most small businesses like independent hair salons or tattoo parlors are not owned by fat-cat 1%-ers. Some are not even comfortably middle-class. It’s distressing to see the vitriol heaped on people who work just as hard as I do, at even greater personal risk. Why aren’t we going after the ones trying to game the system for cash they don’t need? Sorry, but any company that pays six and seven figure salaries to top echelon management (ie those hospital systems doing all the lay-offs. Better yet the chain restaurants and publicly traded corporations, etc.) has no business claiming they can’t make payroll. I would expect them to tap their own executives and shareholders first for the cash. Why should a small business go under so that the owners of the big corps don’t have to feel the pinch? They took the profits quickly enough! The old saw is right: we’re a country of privatized profits/benefits and socialized costs/consequences. (Looking at you, Walmart, Big Ag, Big Oil, Big Pharma, et al.)

When I view things in that larger context, I find myself empathizing more with the small businessperson fighting for economic survival, guns and all. Sometimes I think we’re raging at the wrong people on this one.

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8 minutes ago, heron said:

I don’t have statistics, but I suspect that many, if not most small businesses like independent hair salons or tattoo parlors are not owned by fat-cat 1%-ers. Some are not even comfortably middle-class. It’s distressing to see the vitriol heaped on people who work just as hard as I do, at even greater personal risk. Why aren’t we going after the ones trying to game the system for cash they don’t need? Sorry, but any company that pays six and seven figure salaries to top echelon management (ie those hospital systems doing all the lay-offs. Better yet the chain restaurants and publicly traded corporations, etc.) has no business claiming they can’t make payroll. I would expect them to tap their own executives and shareholders first for the cash. Why should a small business go under so that the owners of the big corps don’t have to feel the pinch? They took the profits quickly enough! The old saw is right: we’re a country of privatized profits/benefits and socialized costs/consequences. (Looking at you, Walmart, Big Ag, Big Oil, Big Pharma, et al.)

When I view things in that larger context, I find myself empathizing more with the small businessperson fighting for economic survival, guns and all. Sometimes I think we’re raging at the wrong people on this one.

While I certainly agree that there is plenty of grift associated with the small business loan program (gosh, Trump hotels got funds!), I don't have an ounce of sympathy for any business owner who calls in the Goon Squad to help them commit an illegal act, which can endanger public health.

But you are entitled to your opinion.

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17 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The economic panic is occurring on it's own.  That's what happens when people lose their jobs and businesses.  

What has exacerbated it all is that people bought into "stay at home" because it was going to cause a few million deaths, and we couldn't overwhelm the healthcare system.

Although we still have more to learn, we know a lot more about the disease. And, it was never going to kill millions, and except for a few outliers the healthcare system was never overwhelmed.  Governors in some places keep moving the goalposts.  That is encouraging economic panic.

I heard a headline today that LA is going to extend stay at home for three months.  Sure.  That place will burn to the ground before that happens.

I said two months ago that lockdown wasnt sustainable for very long as people weren't just going to sit around and watch their businesses go down the drain and the economy tank.  We're seeing evidence of that. 

 

I agree there's a lot of non-sensical rules and some measures where we could ease up in terms of mitigation, but in general we're already doing that.  And while our mitigation efforts harm the economy, it's a false assumption that the effects of not mitigating a pandemic doesn't do just as much if not more damage to the economy.

I'm curious what you're basing your belief on that COVID-19 isn't really all that bad.  Rick Bright released his testimony today, and he points out that we're still in a position for this to be more devastating than the 50 million who died in the 1918 pandemic.  We're two months in to a pandemic likely to last years, and in that time there have been 300k deaths worldwide, 80k in the US and that's with mitigation measures in place, and in just 2 months.  

I'm also not sure where you're getting that outside of some 'outliers' that hospitals haven't been overwhelmed or at least stretched thin.   You've offered that hospitals in your area haven't had any issues, yet I'm not having any trouble finding reports of PPE shortages throughout Colorado hospitals.

I hope I'm misunderstanding you, but what you seem to be arguing is that because mitigation measures did what they were supposed to do, that proves we don't actually need those mitigation measures.  That's like if patient comes into the hospital having a STEMI and are taken to the cath lab and stented, that it would make sense if the patient then argued they didn't need the stent because they're still alive (thanks to the stent).  

 

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16 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

While I certainly agree that there is plenty of grift associated with the small business loan program (gosh, Trump hotels got funds!), I don't have an ounce of sympathy for any business owner who calls in the Goon Squad to help them commit an illegal act, which can endanger public health.

But you are entitled to your opinion.

Please to note, I wrote that I empathize, not that I agree. I still think you’re spitting fire in largely the wrong direction.

Edited by heron

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