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An infant has died in KY, and because it was positive for Covid-19 at the time of it's death, the cause is being listed as coronavirus.

I hope Tweety's governor gets the message that all age groups can die from coronavirus.

Tweety, looks like the number of new cases in FL was particularly high today.

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22 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The alternative is pretty simple and has been articulated several times.  Dont send covid positive patients into a nursing home full of rhe mist highest risk pstients.

 

Where do they send them to?  Aside from the fact that I'm not sure where you're getting that COVID wasn't in nursing homes except for when residents are sent there from hospitals, particularly since they were being returned to nursing homes after acquiring COVID in the nursing homes.

I am in a relatively hard hit area, although not nearly as bad as the tri-state area, and what little capacity we had to take on a spike of hospital patients was quickly overwhelmed, I was personally familiar with a number of cases where being overwhelmed directly caused or at least was a contributor to otherwise preventable deaths.  Had overwhelmed New York hospitals had to use their limited resources to care for nursing home patients, the number of otherwise avoidable deaths would have been much higher.  By itself, that makes no sense, but if your premise is that all residents of nursing homes where Covid infections are occurring should be transferred to hospitals then your talking about filling hospitals with nursing home residents rather than patients who actually require hospital services, resulting in far more deaths overall, which makes even less sense.  

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22 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

It's pretty self explanatory.  There were predictions of millions of deaths, and that isnt happening.

You were fairly specific that a poster here had predicted "5-6 million" deaths apparently this summer, the closest things I can find is this:

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Since the prevalence of the 1918 flu pandemic wasn't based on serology testing, that wouldn't be an accurate comparison since you would be comparing rates with different denominators.

The mortality rate of those infected was based on the number of deaths per population with observable symptoms and transmission criteria, similar to our current basis for the coronavirus mortality rate.  

Although to consider the number of deaths that would occur today the number of reliably confirmed infections isn't really relevant.

The world population at the beginning of the 1918 pandemic was about 1.8 billion, the number of deaths that resulted is often quoted at 50 million, although for the sake of argument we'll use a more conservative 30 million.  That means the pandemic killed 2.2 percent of the world's population.  To apply that to the United States now, that would be 2.2 percent of 330 million, which is 7,260,000 people.  

Of course that doesn't mean that we can expect 7 million to die in the US, but given the similarities we clearly shouldn't feel confident or even feel it's likely this will be minor.

Considering we're likely still very early in the course of the virus, I'm not sure I would agree that we should consider this a win at this point.

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12 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

You were fairly specific that a poster here had predicted "5-6 million" deaths apparently this summer, the closest things I can find is this:

Considering we're likely still very early in the course of the virus, I'm not sure I would agree that we should consider this a win at this point.

I'm sorry that you had to waste your time to put a cork in that whine.  Very well done though. 

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2 hours ago, MunoRN said:

You were fairly specific that a poster here had predicted "5-6 million" deaths apparently this summer, the closest things I can find is this:

Considering we're likely still very early in the course of the virus, I'm not sure I would agree that we should consider this a win at this point.

Well, ok.  You can keep looking for the poster who said 5-6 if you want.  Or we can just go with the 2 million prediction, which was still wildly inaccurate. 

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Kentucky is already doing this, do it will be nice to have the rest of the country catch-up to us.

Governor Beshear gives a breakdown by race and ethnicity at his daily news conference.

He stresses that health disparities due to racial inequality must stop, and he is dedicated to finding solutions to the problem.

Love my governor!

From today's NY Times:

US To Require States To Report Demographic Data Amid Virus Disparities

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22 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

An infant has died in KY, and because it was positive for Covid-19 at the time of it's death, the cause is being listed as coronavirus.

I hope Tweety's governor gets the message that all age groups can die from coronavirus.

Tweety, looks like the number of new cases in FL was particularly high today.

Yep.  Yesterday was one of the worst days for testing positive and today doesn't look much better and some reports saying today is our highest number of recorded cases yet with an increase in numbers of people tested.  We had been doing relatively well after the lockdown, but no longer.  

I think the governor and most people understand death can occur at any age. But studies show 83% of the deaths here are over age 65 and the median age of people infected in 54, so I think his idea to make life easier on the young, healthy and working is a valid one.  

With the end of the lockdown and the protests, people really are forgetting the virus is alive and well.  

 

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50 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Yep.  Yesterday was one of the worst days for testing positive and today doesn't look much better and some reports saying today is our highest number of recorded cases yet with an increase in numbers of people tested.  We had been doing relatively well after the lockdown, but no longer.  

I think the governor and most people understand death can occur at any age. But studies show 83% of the deaths here are over age 65 and the median age of people infected in 54, so I think his idea to make life easier on the young, healthy and working is a valid one.  

With the end of the lockdown and the protests, people really are forgetting the virus is alive and well.  

 

And that is exactly what I feared, once everything started opening again.

People are just going back to life as it used to be.

To quote Andy Beshear: "You can't be doing that."

Well you can, but either you will get sick, or you will cause others to get sick.

Our numbers went up today--295 new cases.

My hair salon appointment is next week.

Numbers go up, and I cancel.

I still only go to work, grocery store and barn, so my hair isn't a high priority.

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7 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

And that is exactly what I feared, once everything started opening again.

People are just going back to life as it used to be.

To quote Andy Beshear: "You can't be doing that."

Well you can, but either you will get sick, or you will cause others to get sick.

Our numbers went up today--295 new cases.

My hair salon appointment is next week.

Numbers go up, and I cancel.

I still only go to work, grocery store and barn, so my hair isn't a high priority.

Our governor says the same thing, but still is opening up.  South Florida thinks he's being prejudiced against them because they are Democrat but their numbers are worse. He's holding off "phase II" for them.

We're past 60,000 cases and had 1,400 cases yesterday.  Not a good number.  Our 7-day average of deaths is stable though.  I don't get out much but I see a lot of good practice out in public and not necessarily that things are "normal".  But I do think that people are getting together more with friends and family, and relaxing a bit much.  I am worried about crowded places like clubs and bars (places I don't frequent and can't see first hand how they are acting).  I'm hearing from others that people are acting like things are normal, especially as Covid is being pushed out of the news.

The protesters are invariably young.  I'm torn because it's extremely important they get out there, wear masks and distance, but I'm not seeing that all the time.  I have seen some protests here with masks and social distancing, I think they are aware but as a medical student said "the risk is worth the cause".  

People need to understand it's not over and won't be for a while.  I think people just have fatigue with it all and that's not good.  I'm still seeing more mature people staying home and being careful.  I have a couple of friends in their 70's that haven't barely gone out since March and I think they are typical for that bracket.  

 

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My friend told me that her niece in West Virginia, is planning a pool party, potluck baby shower, and inviting family from KY to join.

My friend isn't going to the event, and told her relatives that they are crazy.

That is what I mean by people behaving like everything is normal, because things are opening back up.

I would love to join the protests.

But I am not getting in close proximity to hundreds of people, even with a mask. 

You get hit with a pepper ball, and the mask is off and you are truly exposed.

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On 6/4/2020 at 4:07 AM, Lucylu71 said:

Well, ok.  You can keep looking for the poster who said 5-6 if you want.  Or we can just go with the 2 million prediction, which was still wildly inaccurate. 

Again, the 2m deaths model was based on NOTHING being done to control the spread of the virus. You cannot claim it was inaccurate simply because it failed to occur (so far). I’ve done contingency planning in telecom & emergency management.  Planning always includes worst case scenarios. Not doing so is bad planning.

How about the models that predicted only 60k deaths in the us? Are those considered wildly inaccurate?

Here’s an article from the cato institute about that 2m model. 
 

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

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Why did the first lady enjoy a private disaster briefing from FEMA the other day.  Is she going to new the new Director Disaster Dress Up?

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