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Did President Trump-Pence administration drop the ball?

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45 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I've read both and neither mentions that the reasoning stated in the order itself had changed.  I'm not sure that it necessarily needs to be stated; that when hospital beds and more importantly staff are in short supply, you can't use hospital beds and staff to board huge numbers of nursing home residents who don't require hospital care.  I'm not sure why you think other states put out the same order.  

You seem really passionate about your disgust of Cuomo for a decision that you haven't been able to articulate an alternative.  

There's no doubt that nursing home residents, whether in New York or other parts of the US where they were hit by far the hardest of any demographic, are more susceptible to death from COVID due to a number of factors, but I'm still not clear what you're suggesting the alternative is.  

The alternative is pretty simple and has been articulated several times.  Dont send covid positive patients into a nursing home full of rhe mist highest risk pstients.

 

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6 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

It's pretty self explanatory.  There were predictions of millions of deaths, and that isnt happening.

And that's a bad thing?

Personally, I think it is GREAT that social distancing measures and contact tracing and quarantine have all worked the way reasonable people hoped.

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6 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The alternative is pretty simple and has been articulated several times.  Dont send covid positive patients into a nursing home full of rhe mist highest risk pstients.

 

Fair enough.  He learned the hard way and that is an alternative.

 It does seem to be a point you want to make over and over again.  Even though the overall rate of deaths in LTCs in New York mimic other parts of the country.  

Even states that haven't done this practice still see a jump in residents dying from the disease.  They are quite vulnerable and get it not only from other residents, but perhaps also from staff that bring it in from the outside.  

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Although there is no evidence so far that the practice has allowed infections to spread in nursing homes.... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/nursing-homes-coronavirus.html

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:
2 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

And that's a bad thing?

Personally, I think it is GREAT that social distancing measures and contact tracing and quarantine have all worked the way reasonable people hoped.

 

Who said it was a bad thing?

Thank you.

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8 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

It's pretty self explanatory.  There were predictions of millions of deaths, and that isnt happening.

Your beef is with the math and the models. Even Dim Don Dummy referenced a couple million deaths.  You must feel like you've got ahold of an important "bone" of contention here from the nature of the comment.  

That's kind of funny. 

 

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14 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Your beef is with the math and the models. Even Dim Don Dummy referenced a couple million deaths.  You must feel like you've got ahold of an important "bone" of contention here from the nature of the comment.  

That's kind of funny. 

 

Really there was a point when it was a guessing game.  I don't think anyone "predicted" there would be millions of deaths, but said there could be a potential for that.  Even Trump almost on a daily basis changed his prediction from "it's only 15 people and will soon go away" to more catastrophic potential numbers.  So criticizing people for coming up with worst case scenario numbers during a time when 10s of thousands of people were dying, that didn't happen sounds a bit lame.  What they don't want to acknowledge is that the shut down measures probably worked in keeping that number down, because they are against the shut down because it violates their civil liberties.   They want it both ways:  "see the worst didn't happen and it's not that bad" and "I don't want to wear a mask and open up the economy".

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1 hour ago, Lucylu71 said:

Who said it was a bad thing?

Thank you.

The constant harping on the "millions aren't dead," theme?

Yeah, it sure seems like some are using the lack of millions of deaths, up to this point, to bolster the nonsense spouted out of the mouth of Donald John Trump.

Thank you.

Remember, I don't coddle.

I call it like I see it.

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27 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Really there was a point when it was a guessing game.  I don't think anyone "predicted" there would be millions of deaths, but said there could be a potential for that.  Even Trump almost on a daily basis changed his prediction from "it's only 15 people and will soon go away" to more catastrophic potential numbers.  So criticizing people for coming up with worst case scenario numbers during a time when 10s of thousands of people were dying, that didn't happen sounds a bit lame.  What they don't want to acknowledge is that the shut down measures probably worked in keeping that number down, because they are against the shut down because it violates their civil liberties.   They want it both ways:  "see the worst didn't happen and it's not that bad" and "I don't want to wear a mask and open up the economy".

Unfortunately for all of us, the pandemic isn't over.

Without a vaccine or effective treatment, there is still potential for millions of deaths.

I know Trump is desperate to convince Americans that life is back to normal, but that is a lie.

Just like his lie about warm weather and sunlight killing the virus.

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Unfortunately for all of us, the pandemic isn't over.

Without a vaccine or effective treatment, there is still potential for millions of deaths.

I know Trump is desperate to convince Americans that life is back to normal, but that is a lie.

Just like his lie about warm weather and sunlight killing the virus.

It's not over.  The tracker I look at says that so far today there's been 2,000 plus cases and almost 100 deaths and it's 13:20.   I believe with 1,800,000 plus cases already the potential for 2 million is nearly 100%, and 3 to 5 definitely is a possibility.  Doubtful though the death rate will be in the millions.

Yesterday, Florida had 1,300 cases.  But of course the argument is going to be the old refrain "well testing has increased".  Doesn't matter, more testing means we're finding out more people have it and have the potential to infect others. We had "only" 37 deaths and the good news is that most people are going to get better, and only 3% of cases tested nowadays are coming up positive.

Theaters and bars are allowed to open in Florida starting Friday but not in hard hit South Florida.  I'm not worried about the theaters, but the bars are going to be an issue.

The protests might be an issue as well.

A coworker I worked with on Sunday that passed her temperature test with a 98.0 and spiked that day while at work and had to be sent home tested positive.  She floated from another floor so I don't know her, but she was young and looked healthy, so she'll fine, but I wonder how many people will have gotten it from her and will it eventually hit someone frail.  

No.  It's not over.

 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

The constant harping on the "millions aren't dead," theme?

Yeah, it sure seems like some are using the lack of millions of deaths, up to this point, to bolster the nonsense spouted out of the mouth of Donald John Trump.

Thank you.

Remember, I don't coddle.

I call it like I see it.

😊

Constant harping? 

I said it once, and then another poster asked me to explain.

So, I mentioned it again

Again, taking my post out of context.  

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On 5/30/2020 at 8:10 AM, Lucylu71 said:

{snip} There isnt heat to be taken off Trump.  Especially if "hindsight is foresight ".  Liberals only want to highlight the faults and mistakes.

Some were predicting 2 million or more deaths this summer.  One poster here predicted 5-6 million.  That seems unlikely now.

If Trump is going to be blamed for all the mistakes made, then he should get credit for far fewer deaths happening then predicted.{snip}

 

 

Besides banning some travel from China, what exactly did trump do to get credit? He said he had no responsibility and said it was up to governors to manage their individual states with little to no national plan. And he then undercut some of the governors. Plus, that 2m prediction was simply a model based on no social distancing being implemented. Based on what i’ve seen, he gets no credit for flattening of the curve. Or helping the country get through this pandemic in any way, shape or form. 

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47 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

Besides banning some travel from China, what exactly did trump do to get credit? He said he had no responsibility and said it was up to governors to manage their individual states with little to no national plan. And he then undercut some of the governors. Plus, that 2m prediction was simply a model based on no social distancing being implemented. Based on what i’ve seen, he gets no credit for flattening of the curve. Or helping the country get through this pandemic in any way, shape or form. 

Thank you. 

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