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On 5/30/2020 at 8:10 AM, Lucylu71 said:

They are also having record numbers of testing done, with most recently about 5.4% being positive.  I think you said Florida's rate of infection is 10% of those tested?  It seems Wisconsin's ability to test is a big part of the increased number of cases.

"The state Department of Health Services reported 733 new cases of coronavirus Friday, Wisconsin's largest single-day increase — by more than 100 cases — since the pandemic began.  

Friday's new cases accounted for about 5.4% of the more than 13,600 tests processed since Thursday.

That's also a new record for the number of tests run in a single day, up significantly from Thursday's record-setting number of 10,626."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/05/29/wisconsin-sees-its-largest-single-day-increase-coronavirus-cases-and-its-first-children-multisystem/5287066002/

Wisconsin is in the near the bottom, or fewest,  of deaths per capita.  Better then Florida or Kentucky.

There isnt heat to be taken off Trump.  Especially if "hindsight is foresight ".  Liberals only want to highlight the faults and mistakes.

Some were predicting 2 million or more deaths this summer.  One poster here predicted 5-6 million.  That seems unlikely now.

If Trump is going to be blamed for all the mistakes made, then he should get credit for far fewer deaths happening then predicted.

Not "my leader ".  You've stayed out of the cultist talk in the past.  No reason to start now. 

 

 

Still not answering my questions, dude?

We know that comparing the number of deaths from state to state is completely meaningless without a proper comparison of populations.

Why push nonsense?

Because it bolsters a failing a flailing, Donald Trump.

Nothing more than Trumpster propaganda, that we have seen time and time again.

YAWN.

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On 5/30/2020 at 7:43 AM, Lil Nel said:

NYC had 20,000 Deaths in roughly a two month period.

I listened to story on NPR, in which a reporter followed the military personnel, whose job it was to pick up bodies from nursing homes, hospitals, and such places, and bring them to refridgerated trucks in Brooklyn.

The reporter also interviewed funeral directors, who were completely overwhelmed.

Everybody should be GRATEFUL that resources were in place, should they be needed.

But the Right-Wingers use such information, to bolster their failed leader's claim that Coronavirus is no worse than the flu, and Trumpty-Dumpty did such a good job, blah, blah, blah.

Pay them no mind.

The resources were needed.  10% of US covid deaths were NY state nursing home patients.

It was either incompetence or corruption that led to Cuomo's decision.

This article is very informative,  and also addresses and mostly refute the excuses for Cuomo made by another poster.

"The hospital industry’s lobbying organization, the Greater New York Hospital Association, is a mega-donor to the state Democratic Party’s housekeeping committee, which helps elect Cuomo. It gave over $1 million in 2018. The hospital industry holds more sway in Albany than real estate or Wall Street."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/new-yorks-nursing-home-horrors-are-even-worse-than-you-think/

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On 5/30/2020 at 5:10 AM, Lucylu71 said:

They are also having record numbers of testing done, with most recently about 5.4% being positive.  I think you said Florida's rate of infection is 10% of those tested?  It seems Wisconsin's ability to test is a big part of the increased number of cases.

"The state Department of Health Services reported 733 new cases of coronavirus Friday, Wisconsin's largest single-day increase — by more than 100 cases — since the pandemic began.  

Friday's new cases accounted for about 5.4% of the more than 13,600 tests processed since Thursday.

That's also a new record for the number of tests run in a single day, up significantly from Thursday's record-setting number of 10,626."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/05/29/wisconsin-sees-its-largest-single-day-increase-coronavirus-cases-and-its-first-children-multisystem/5287066002/

Wisconsin is in the near the bottom, or fewest,  of deaths per capita.  Better then Florida or Kentucky.

There isnt heat to be taken off Trump.  Especially if "hindsight is foresight ".  Liberals only want to highlight the faults and mistakes.

Some were predicting 2 million or more deaths this summer.  One poster here predicted 5-6 million.  That seems unlikely now.

If Trump is going to be blamed for all the mistakes made, then he should get credit for far fewer deaths happening then predicted.

Not "my leader ".  You've stayed out of the cultist talk in the past.  No reason to start now. 

 

 

Where are you getting that from?

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11 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Those aren't the reasons Cuomo used for the order.  He said it was to prevent discrimination.

And then, Cuomo reversed his order a few weeks ago.  Well, well after those extra beds were available but not used.  And now said nursing homes are not to take Covid patients.

I am not sure where you got that they were only going to nursing homes who had covid patients already.  Every nursing home would deny they had any if that's all it took. And we know testing ability was not readily available then anyway.  So likely most patients in nursing homes weren't even tested until they were hospitalized.

Even if that was true, and it's not, is it better to have 2 or 3 covid patients, or 10?  Of course with more patients with it the greater risk of it spreading to others.

The only reason anyone here is defending that deadly decision is because he is a Democrat.  

 

 

 

I can't find any sources that Cuomo or NYS said the purpose was to "prevent discrimination", the only sources for this appear to be far right 'news' sites that are saying this was the reasoning, apparently to support their narrative, without any direct sources or quotes to support it.

From the advisory: "“There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care,” the state said it it's advisory, which requires “the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals.”

This is the same advisory that was made in New Jersey and California, and it's states like mine there was no need for such an advisory because it's already been required.

The reason for this should be pretty obvious, when ICU's cant move patients out to medical floors and medical floors can't move patients out to a lower level of care (nursing homes), then hospitals can't care for sicker patients.  It's not rocket science what the effect is of an inability to transition patients to their appropriate level of care when hospitals are overburdened.

The advisory prevents nursing homes from refusing to accept patients that they had sent to the hospital with COVID, if patients are coming from a nursing home to a hospital then there was already COVID present in the nursing home. While testing was limit early on, clinical diagnosis was considered far more accurate than the available testing, clinical criteria defined a number of diagnostic indicators as being reliably diagnostic of COVID, and it's only now that testing, and even then only PCR testing, is considered comparably accurate to a clinical diagnosis.

It's certainly better to have fewer COVID patients, this is true for hospitals, nursing homes, community, etc.  But no, it's not better to keep lower acuity patients in the ICU which would leave the ICU unable to offer livesaving care to those who actually need it.  

Is the reason he's being defended that he is a democrat, or is it that he's being attacked for doing something other states are doing and where the necessity of which doesn't seem to be disputed, because he's a democrat?

 

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12 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I can't find any sources that Cuomo or NYS said the purpose was to "prevent discrimination", the only sources for this appear to be far right 'news' sites that are saying this was the reasoning, apparently to support their narrative, without any direct sources or quotes to support it.

"The governor over the following weeks defended the March 25 policy and said repeatedly that nursing homes shouldn’t accept patients if they believed they couldn’t care for them. The directive was meant to protect those infected with coronavirus from discrimination, a state official said."

It wasnt too difficult to find this WSJ article.  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-sent-recovering-coronavirus-patients-to-nursing-homes-it-was-a-fatal-error-11589470773

The rest of this article, and the NY Post article I linked above would also make good reading for you.

There is no defense for what Cuomo did.

 

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I'm actually impressed with New York if only 10% of their deaths are in long term care.  49% of our deaths are in Long Term Care facilities, and this includes 11 workers.

Some facilities have quarantine beds.  We took a nursing home patient, tested her for surgery and she was negative and sent her back but she had to go into quarantine for two weeks in a wing away from her prior residence.  

Nursing home placements much have a negative test within 48 hours of their admittance and no one that is Covid positive is accepted.

Still deaths in nursing homes increased 15% in LTC's last week.

 

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I'm actually impressed with New York if only 10% of their deaths are in long term care.  49% of our deaths are in Long Term Care facilities, and this includes 11 workers.

Some facilities have quarantine beds.  We took a nursing home patient, tested her for surgery and she was negative and sent her back but she had to go into quarantine for two weeks in a wing away from her prior residence.  

Nursing home placements much have a negative test within 48 hours of their admittance and no one that is Covid positive is accepted.

Still deaths in nursing homes increased 15% in LTC's last week.

 

10% of the entire country's deaths are NY nursing home patients. 

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9 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

10% of the entire country's deaths are NY nursing home patients. 

Gotcha.  Thanks for the clarification.  Nearly 20% of all deaths in the United States have been in New York and at one time I think it was 25 or more.  So it does stand to reason they would have a high percentage of all LTC deaths.  These figures kind of echo then percentages here in Florida.

I won't say that his forcing Covid patients to nursing homes when there were options didn't cause the rate to go higher, but also I can understand.  It was a time when 8 to 10 thousand people were dying a day and tens of thousands a day were diagnosed.  They have 360,000 of the 1.8 million cases in the US.  They were in crisis mode.  

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The desperate attempt to push Trump's accountability onto mayors and governors is cute.  The personal responsibility crowd is so adorable when shielding their dear leader from all accountability. 

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10 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

10% of the entire country's deaths are NY nursing home patients. 

As of 30 May there were 3,405 (3.3% total US fatalities) confirmed COVID-19 deaths in New York nursing homes and assisted care facilities, with an additional 2,698 (2.6% total US fatalities) presumed COVID-19 deaths for a total of 6,103 (5.8% total US fatalities) .  Percentages are calculated using the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 Dashboard reporting of 104,399 US fatalities

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/covid-19/fatalities_nursing_home_acf.pdf

 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 

 

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21 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

The resources were needed.  10% of US covid deaths were NY state nursing home patients.

It was either incompetence or corruption that led to Cuomo's decision.

This article is very informative,  and also addresses and mostly refute the excuses for Cuomo made by another poster.

"The hospital industry’s lobbying organization, the Greater New York Hospital Association, is a mega-donor to the state Democratic Party’s housekeeping committee, which helps elect Cuomo. It gave over $1 million in 2018. The hospital industry holds more sway in Albany than real estate or Wall Street."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/new-yorks-nursing-home-horrors-are-even-worse-than-you-think/

Still not answering my questions.

 

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3 hours ago, chare said:

As of 30 May there were 3,405 (3.3% total US fatalities) confirmed COVID-19 deaths in New York nursing homes and assisted care facilities, with an additional 2,698 (2.6% total US fatalities) presumed COVID-19 deaths for a total of 6,103 (5.8% total US fatalities) .  Percentages are calculated using the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 Dashboard reporting of 104,399 US fatalities

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/covid-19/fatalities_nursing_home_acf.pdf

 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 

 

An article I posted above explained that the lower number is of those who were physically in a nursing home.  If you count nursing home patients who died on a hospital. It's around 11,000.

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