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1 hour ago, luv2 said:

Trump has taken over and it as though every ethical Republican fell asleep or are scared to speak up. 

Not Mitt Romney.

Romney has spoken up, and voted his conscious.

Of course, Trumpsters deflect by saying Romney is merely a Never Trumper.

They dismiss all criticism of their leader as either "fake news," "nothing burger," "hoax," or said by a "Never Trumper."

 

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Just now, Lil Nel said:

Not Mitt Romney.

Romney has spoken up, and voted his conscious.

Of course, Trumpsters deflect by saying Romney is merely a Never Trumper.

They dismiss all criticism of their leader as either "fake news," "nothing burger," "hoax," or said by a "Never Trumper."

 

Romney should be speaking up every day.

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7 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

All good points.  

I do think the testing ability has continued to ramp up each and every day.  I know I'm testing more people myself the last week or two then previously.  That will flatten out, and maybe has in some places.  I know at least a few times when there has been a spike in my state, it's been a reporting issue rather then a actual spike in one day.

Also, people who get admitted or go to the OR for everything get tested.  Our OR has begun to reopen and non-covid admissions are increasing,so that is a increase in tests right there.

That's why I keep an eye on hospitalizations.  To me, that's a more accurate measure of how bad things are.  We know many people are going to get it.  Flattening the curve is what the lockdowns were originally about.  To me, that's what we'll need to be looking at to determine if lockdowns are needed again.

Yes, I was thinking that we too have increased testing at the hospital.  I've yet to come across a positive in the people I've tested or any admissions to my unit at all.  Trust me I would hear about it.

Anyway, I suppose I could agree that a gauge of "how bad it is" would be hospitalizations and deaths directly related to the virus.  But saying the rate of infection is increased because more testing was done falls a bit flat because those people are indeed infected and infecting others.  Like I said it is indeed good to focus on the whole picture and not be fixated on one. 

I also understand that's the ways it's going to be for a while.   The US is averaging over 20,000 positive cases a day.  We'll be at 100,000 deaths by the  end of the week.  Japan with 120 million people densely populated in big cities averages less than 50, and has less than 1,000 deaths, and just lifted their state of emergency today in Tokyo.  (Some other reasons for this such as a culture of cleanliness (not wearing shoes inside), they bow and don't touch, mask wearing and a lean population (with obesity affecting rates).  But Japan also has a deep seated culture that values what is good for society before what is good for the individual.  

It's a mess.

 

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Covidiots.

From today's WaPo, a story that will cause reasonable people to feel ashamed of this nation.

'An International Example Of Bad Judgment': Local Officials Stunned...

Read about a local sheriff who refuses to enforce "unconstitutional" social distancing guidelines.

Then read the quote from NC woman, who proudly announces she wants to go out, and has no fear of virus.

Pure ignorance.

The NC woman, seems to believe that the virus can sense her fear, or lack thereof, and move on.

Viruses are only seeking a host.

Anyone will do.

The virus isn't picky.

It is unfortunate that these Covidiots will be out and about, at the grocery store, hair salon, gym, etc., potentially spreading a killer.

All because they are tired of staying home.

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From today's NY Times:

About A Dozen States Are Reporting Upticks In New Cases...

Several of these states, like AL, FL and TN, reopened early, or never fully shut down.

Of course, without comparison and context, it is hard to fully discern what these increased numbers mean.

But I thought dude would appreciate the fact that Tennessee's cases have increased, while KY's have flattened.

Ouch!

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This is a really good piece which reflects on what it can be like to have CVirus, yet not be critically ill.

From today's NY Times:

A Virus-Hunter Falls Prey To A Virus He Underestimated

The subject had an O2 saturation level of 84, with no SOB.

He was hospitalized twice.

His lungs are probably permanently damaged.

Yet, his CVirus case was not terribly severe.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

This is a really good piece which reflects on what it can be like to have CVirus, yet not be critically ill.

From today's NY Times:

A Virus-Hunter Falls Prey To A Virus He Underestimated

The subject had an O2 saturation level of 84, with no SOB.

He was hospitalized twice.

His lungs are probably permanently damaged.

Yet, his CVirus case was not terribly severe.

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A Virus-Hunter Falls Prey To A Virus He Underestimated:   https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/health/coronavirus-peter-piot.html

If you haven't read this yet PLEASE DO! I bought a pulse oximeter at a chain store for about $20.00. Got some for family members too.

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The Infection That’s Silently Killing Coronavirus Patients

...   Covid pneumonia initially causes a form of oxygen deprivation we call “silent hypoxia” — “silent” because of its insidious, hard-to-detect nature...

...   There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

 

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27 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

If you haven't read this yet PLEASE DO! I bought a pulse oximeter at a chain store for about $20.00. Got some for family members too.

 

Thanks for posting the article, herring.

It's a good one!

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3 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

From today's NY Times:

About A Dozen States Are Reporting Upticks In New Cases...

Several of these states, like AL, FL and TN, reopened early, or never fully shut down.

Of course, without comparison and context, it is hard to fully discern what these increased numbers mean.

But I thought dude would appreciate the fact that Tennessee's cases have increased, while KY's have flattened.

Ouch!

In fact the two states with the biggest drops in cases in the nation with 50% and 30% were Washington and Kentucky.   I can see why you've been pleased with your governor's efforts all along.

Many of the leaders in rates of infection rising are Republican lead states as you say that opened up early,  but to be fair California is seeing a rise.  Also, I didn't see mention of Florida in the two articles I've read. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

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24 minutes ago, Tweety said:

In fact the two states with the biggest drops in cases in the nation with 50% and 30% were Washington and Kentucky.   I can see why you've been pleased with your governor's efforts all along.

Many of the leaders in rates of infection rising are Republican lead states as you say that opened up early,  but to be fair California is seeing a rise.  Also, I didn't see mention of Florida in the two articles I've read. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

It is mentioned in NY Times piece.

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55 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

It is mentioned in NY Times piece.

I'll look for it then, right now the only article I see is from May 13th and is old data.   Florida is open so not surprised it would be on the list but living here I am keeping up with day to day cases.  The rate yesterday fell by 300 but is still over 500, tomorrow it will probably rise which seems to be our pattern.  I think the rate is steady but not rising or falling much but definitely not drops like Washington or KY.   Deaths were "only" seven yesterday.  

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

In fact the two states with the biggest drops in cases in the nation with 50% and 30% were Washington and Kentucky.   I can see why you've been pleased with your governor's efforts all along.

Many of the leaders in rates of infection rising are Republican lead states as you say that opened up early,  but to be fair California is seeing a rise.  Also, I didn't see mention of Florida in the two articles I've read. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

I am pleased with Andy Beshear for many reasons, Tweety.

Yes. He has done a good job with his response to CVirus.

But he is also a decent, thoughtful, intelligent and empathic man.

Kentucky is so, so, so lucky to have him.

 

 

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