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Did President Trump-Pence administration drop the ball?

  1. 1. Did President Trump-Pence administration drop the ball?

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2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Like I said before, I think there is widespread support.  But 25% of people not supporting it and violating social distancing rules is a whole lot of people and can all kinds of havoc.  Also, whose to say those that travel to another state don't engage in social distancing?  

I'm trying my best to stay positive and you know I'm Nancy Negative when it comes to faith in people.  

My turn to be negative, Tweety.

But I think if you are traveling to another state to skirt the shutdown orders in your state, you probably aren't engaging in mitigation efforts.

Otherwise, you would have remained in your home state.

Hawaii has done an excellent job of going after tourists who refuse to self-quarantine.

Hotels turn these people in, to local authorities.

 

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1 hour ago, chare said:

I disagree with your assertion that there is widespread support for mitigation efforts.  I wish it were true, but there is only support when people don't have a choice.

Nel has posted at length of Kentuckians crossing the border into Tennessee.  I recently read an article discussing the lack of compliance in Bristol Tennessee/Virginia.  And while it hasn't been reported via any network yet, anecdotal reports are that the beaches in North Carolina, two days into phase two, are packed with no evidence of social distancing.

All of the polling and data that I have seen indicates that +/- 75% of Americans are in support of the common sense mitigation recommendations during this pandemic.  Here's an example from late April, https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/press-release/poll-8-in-10-americans-favor-strict-shelter-in-place-orders-to-limit-coronavirus-spread-and-most-say-they-could-continue-to-obey-such-orders-for-another-month-or-longer/

Do you have other data or reporting that I could consider which disagrees?

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

[...]

Do you have other data or reporting that I could consider which disagrees?

No, I don't.  Mostly, I was stating opinion, based on my personal observations and reporting, both in the press as well as by members o this board.  As I mentioned Nel has written about Kentuckians in border counties crossing over to Tennessee.  I read a handful of articles addressing this same topic in Bristol, a city partially in both Tennessee and Virginia, in which Virginians were crossing the state border into Tennessee. 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

All of the polling and data that I have seen indicates that +/- 75% of Americans are in support of the common sense mitigation recommendations during this pandemic.  Here's an example from late April, https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/press-release/poll-8-in-10-americans-favor-strict-shelter-in-place-orders-to-limit-coronavirus-spread-and-most-say-they-could-continue-to-obey-such-orders-for-another-month-or-longer/

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As with all polls, I think you have to take the results with a grain of salt.  The poll you cited was conducted 15 - 20 April, and addressed continuing sheltering in place.  A month later, as more states are relaxing their shelter in place orders I wonder what the results would be if this poll were conducted now.

In NC, which entered phase 2 this past Friday, people seem to have taken this as a complete removal of restrictions.  As I previously mentioned, beaches in NC are crowded, with no attempt at social distancing.  During a weekly grocery run, the majority of shoppers were not wearing a face mask. 

Yesterday, North Carolina reported the greatest increase in COVID-19 cases in a single day.  While this obviously wasn't a result of loosening restrictions Friday, it does suggest that possibly we relaxed restrictions too early.  It remains to be seen when, or if, Governor Cooper reverses course and reinstates previous restrictions.

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Yes, I would agree that behavior is influenced by forces outside of good public health recommendations and we are seeing unnecessary spread. Twenty-five percent of a large number is a large number of anything.  In this instance we are talking about potential disease spreaders.  The implications of that are a bit unsettling.  

A good many everyday people don't understand exponential growth until they think of it in everyday terms. I shared this article with friends, I thought it was helpful. KHN Morning Briefing

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2 hours ago, chare said:

No, I don't.  Mostly, I was stating opinion, based on my personal observations and reporting, both in the press as well as by members o this board.  As I mentioned Nel has written about Kentuckians in border counties crossing over to Tennessee.  I read a handful of articles addressing this same topic in Bristol, a city partially in both Tennessee and Virginia, in which Virginians were crossing the state border into Tennessee. 

As with all polls, I think you have to take the results with a grain of salt.  The poll you cited was conducted 15 - 20 April, and addressed continuing sheltering in place.  A month later, as more states are relaxing their shelter in place orders I wonder what the results would be if this poll were conducted now.

In NC, which entered phase 2 this past Friday, people seem to have taken this as a complete removal of restrictions.  As I previously mentioned, beaches in NC are crowded, with no attempt at social distancing.  During a weekly grocery run, the majority of shoppers were not wearing a face mask. 

Yesterday, North Carolina reported the greatest increase in COVID-19 cases in a single day.  While this obviously wasn't a result of loosening restrictions Friday, it does suggest that possibly we relaxed restrictions too early.  It remains to be seen when, or if, Governor Cooper reverses course and reinstates previous restrictions.

It does look like the day before the greatest number of cases was the day of the greatest number of tests done.  While the number of hospitalizations stayed flat.

https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard

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4 hours ago, chare said:

No, I don't.  Mostly, I was stating opinion, based on my personal observations and reporting, both in the press as well as by members o this board.  

And there were these people here in the Ozarks.  Perhaps people just pay lip service to agreeing with social distancing measures and don't practice it, or perhaps it's regional because as I've stated people here seem to be behaving.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/ozarks-missouri-party/index.html

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55 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Oh and these people in North Carolina, which has been declared a hot spot state which implemented measures to end lockdown while cases were on the rise, and in fact had more cases yesterday than ever. 

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article242966241.html

The day before the greatest number of cases reported (on the 23rd) was the day of the greatest number of tests done ( the 22nd).  The number of hospitalizations stayed flat.

Everytime I hear about a "record number of cases", its reported without any context.

https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard

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So, the KY members of American ISIS, rallied at the State House today, whining about the usual stuff, Tyranny! Gun Rights! Isolation! 

And, they did something else.

They hung an effigy of Governor Beshear from a tree.

These people are dangerous extremists.

Deplorable.

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Republicans are suing California that because of the Coronavirus is encouraging as many people as possible to vote by mail.

Obviously Republicans think they have something to lose by mail in ballots, but I'm not getting the beef and am going to have to look into that further to see if it's justified or not.   It can't just be fraud because that's been debunked with studies to the contrary.  But do facts really matter any more?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/politics/republican-national-committee-california-vote-by-mail-lawsuit/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0x336_hPgTpHe5y2Y8Qz55pv0Wq0bcFgeUBJyBsxXiRA8VcLa-qh7zeD0

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2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Republicans are suing California that because of the Coronavirus is encouraging as many people as possible to vote by mail.

Obviously Republicans think they have something to lose by mail in ballots, but I'm not getting the beef and am going to have to look into that further to see if it's justified or not. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/politics/republican-national-committee-california-vote-by-mail-lawsuit/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0x336_hPgTpHe5y2Y8Qz55pv0Wq0bcFgeUBJyBsxXiRA8VcLa-qh7zeD0

I belief it is often referred to as voter suppression, Tweety.

Republicans think that if they can put as many stumbling blocks to voting in place as possible prior to the election, their failing and flailing leader will win.

But as we saw in Wisconsin, voters will risk contracting a plague, in order to vote.

The move reeks of desperation.

I said last week, that I smell desperation in the air, on the part of Republicans.

Things are not looking good for Trump.

All those pictures of Americans looking to infect themselves with CVirus!

How many more will die or be sickened by November?

Throws a wrench in the whole idea of any kind of economic recovery.

If Trump was smart, which of course he isn't, he would take measures to ensure the health of Americans, at least until Election Day!

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Last week I highlighted the WaPo article about the constructive things people are doing with their "shut down" time.

Today, a piece from the NY Times, discussing how some families are benefiting emotionally, from "Shut down" time.

The Virus Has Wrecked Some Families. It Has Brought Others Closer

I especially enjoyed the part about the 14-year-old boy, caring for his 3 month-old niece, after her father died of CVirus.

 

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