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4 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

"More than 600 doctors signed onto a letter sent to President Trump Tuesday pushing him to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doctors-raise-alarm-about-health-effects-of-continued-coronavirus-shutdown

When you seem perplexed as to why we might think you dont support current mitigation efforts, this is why.

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The state of Georgia made it look like its covid cases were going down ***by putting the dates out of order on its chart*** May 5 was followed by April 25, then back to May again, whatever made it look like a downslope.

Guess Floridians aren't the only ones that don't trust the governor.  Georgia has good reason not to.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-18/georgia-coronavirus-numbers-reopening-manipulated-data-brian-kemp

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32 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Guess Floridians aren't the only ones that don't trust the governor.  Georgia has good reason not to.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-18/georgia-coronavirus-numbers-reopening-manipulated-data-brian-kemp

Same with our democrat governor.  Our death count dropped by approximately 20ish % a few days ago.  This after a county coroner questioned publicly why a 35 year old that died of acute alcohol poisoning was counted as a covid death.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/05/16/colorado-changes-how-coronavirus-deaths-state-counted/5198485002/

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16 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

When you seem perplexed as to why we might think you dont support current mitigation efforts, this is why.

I'm perplexed as to why it's not understood by some that we can have mitigation efforts AND start to reopen more businesses.

Even if one supports keeping the stricter mitigation policies in effect, it seems that it would still be worthwhile to consider all the collateral damage that is happening, including what is concerning to the physicians.

Edited by Lucylu71

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37 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

The "her statements were misrepresented" explanation only existed for part of the day on Monday, by Tuesday his office had admitted that she was indeed fired.

Yes, we all know she was fired.  She is the one saying her statements were misrepresented by the media.

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8 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Same with our democrat governor.  Our death count dropped by approximately 20ish % a few days ago.  This after a county coroner questioned publicly why a 35 year old that died of acute alcohol poisoning was counted as a covid death.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/05/16/colorado-changes-how-coronavirus-deaths-state-counted/5198485002/

Not quite the same as rearranging the dates to make it look like the graph was moving downward.  

At least in Florida our graph is presented as going up and down and up and down.

Clearly though here the rates aren't rising and the death rate is dropping.

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8 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

I'm perplexed as to why it's not understood by some that we can have mitigation efforts AND start to reopen more businesses.

Even if one supports keeping the stricter mitigation policies in effect, it seems that it would still be worthwhile to consider all the collateral damage that is happening, including what is concerning to the physicians.

I understand that.   I've pretty much stopped presenting my position that the virus is going to be with us many months and we can't stay on lockdown and that the lifting of the lockdown doesn't mean an end to mitigation efforts like social distancing requirement or a return to "everything back to normal".  

I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong, that things aren't getting better, or even getting worse here.  But I'm always trumped by the deaths.  That I value the economy over people dying and there is no good response to that so I'm starting to keep my opinion to myself.

The truth is there isn't a dramatic drop in the number of Covid cases here since the reopening.  It's up and down, with it going lower than it has in weeks, with the next day going back up.  Not near the levels of pre-lock down or during lock down.

To me that's noteworthy:   the cases since the end of the lockdown have not risen and the ending of the lockdown has not been the predicted disaster.

Yesterday in fact was one of the days it dropped from 850 to 500.  Deaths were a low for us 44.  My county of a million had one death yesterday.  My zip code added two cases, 40 total since the start of data collection.

That's not  good enough for some people.  I understand the fear and am willing to hear their opinion.

Yes, I know the virus kills, and leaves lasting effects, and there isn't a lot we know.  Still, I believe I have a healthy respect for the virus and take all precautions and stay out of situations where I don't feel safe, but haven't come across any yet. Most of the good people here too have a healthy respect for the virus.  People also say "I'd support the end of the lockdown but you can't trust people to wear masks and socially distance and people are crazy".  That's not a reason to say on lockdown for months on end in my opinion.  You can stay away from them.  You can not go to church, public gatherings, restaurants, and just stay home if your privileged lifestyle allows that.

Like I've said all along, there are no guarantees and it's really at this point a guessing game.  I'm all about the science, but I'm not about waiting until the rates are zero and staying in lockdown.  

Finally, things aren't back to "normal" and the lockdown isn't totally over.  Bars, theaters, casinos, theme parks, churches, etc. are still closed.  Restaurants are at 50 capacity with a strict social distancing seating requirement.   Workers are wearing masks and we are told if we go to an establishment and they aren't wearing masks, to turn around.  Bar owners are grumbling and putting pressure on the state to open up, but so far things are far from normal.  Two counties in south Florida around Miami are still in lockdown.  Different parts of the country require different measures.

I'm also not about getting rid of all mitigation processes.  

You can be both.

Broken record at this point and all I'm going to say.  

 

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11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Wow

600 doctors.  

I know.

And this coming from the poster who so easily dismissed the THOUSANDS of former federal prosecutors who signed the letter admonishing Billy Barr!

Pretty darn funny that this same poster is in an uproar over 600 doctors!

It is downright HILARIOUS!

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I understand that.   I've pretty much stopped presenting my position that the virus is going to be with us many months and we can't stay on lockdown and that the lifting of the lockdown doesn't mean an end to mitigation efforts like social distancing requirement or a return to "everything back to normal".  

I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong, that things aren't getting better, or even getting worse here.  But I'm always trumped by the deaths.  That I value the economy over people dying and there is no good response to that so I'm starting to keep my opinion to myself.

The truth is there isn't a dramatic drop in the number of Covid cases here since the reopening.  It's up and down, with it going lower than it has in weeks, with the next day going back up.  Not near the levels of pre-lock down or during lock down.

To me that's noteworthy:   the cases since the end of the lockdown have not risen and the ending of the lockdown has not been the predicted disaster.

Yesterday in fact was one of the days it dropped from 850 to 500.  Deaths were a low for us 44.  My county of a million had one death yesterday.  My zip code added two cases, 40 total since the start of data collection.

That's not  good enough for some people.  I understand the fear and am willing to hear their opinion.

Yes, I know the virus kills, and leaves lasting effects, and there isn't a lot we know.  Still, I believe I have a healthy respect for the virus and take all precautions and stay out of situations where I don't feel safe, but haven't come across any yet. Most of the good people here too have a healthy respect for the virus.  People also say "I'd support the end of the lockdown but you can't trust people to wear masks and socially distance and people are crazy".  That's not a reason to say on lockdown for months on end in my opinion.  You can stay away from them.  You can not go to church, public gatherings, restaurants, and just stay home if your privileged lifestyle allows that.

Like I've said all along, there are no guarantees and it's really at this point a guessing game.  I'm all about the science, but I'm not about waiting until the rates are zero and staying in lockdown.  

Finally, things aren't back to "normal" and the lockdown isn't totally over.  Bars, theaters, casinos, theme parks, churches, etc. are still closed.  Restaurants are at 50 capacity with a strict social distancing seating requirement.   Workers are wearing masks and we are told if we go to an establishment and they aren't wearing masks, to turn around.  Bar owners are grumbling and putting pressure on the state to open up, but so far things are far from normal.  Two counties in south Florida around Miami are still in lockdown.  Different parts of the country require different measures.

I'm also not about getting rid of all mitigation processes.  

You can be both.

Broken record at this point and all I'm going to say.  

 

Kentucky had a record high number of deaths on Tuesday, with 20.

I agree with you, that many people simply can't be trusted to do the right thing, in order to open up more.

On Tuesday, I went to Tractor Supply masked, to buy cat food; a necessity.

In front of me, in line, we're two 20 somethings, unmasked, with their two young children, looked to be 2 and 4.

What's wrong with this picture?

First, there should be no more than ONE adult from the household in the store at the same time, so young children don't have to needlessly go into public places.

Second, both adults are unmasked.

Thirdly, Tractor Supply offers curbside pick up, if the entire family just had to pile into the pick up truck and go for a ride.

A particular segment of Americans will deliberately choice to endanger all in their path.

They make it hard to trust in "reopening."

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11 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

I'm perplexed as to why it's not understood by some that we can have mitigation efforts AND start to reopen more businesses.

Even if one supports keeping the stricter mitigation policies in effect, it seems that it would still be worthwhile to consider all the collateral damage that is happening, including what is concerning to the physicians.

This is truly funny, dude.

Again, I can't recall your concern for the collateral damage, when American doctors were protesting and calling out Trump on the deplorable conditions of migrant children held in detention camps.

In fact, you defended the actions that lead to collateral damage.

But now, you are so concerned.

I am amused.

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I posted last week, a story about Republicans balking at extending the enhanced UI payments.

Here is another, more in-depth piece on the Republican plan to starve out Americans into submission.

Wait.

Isn't that Tyranny???

From today's WaPo:

2.4 Million Americans Filed Jobless Claims....

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And then there is this, from today's NY Post:

GOP Lawmaker Booted From IL House Session For Refusing To Wear Mask

His reasoning, is nothing more than Whinorrhea: Because I don't want too!

I really hate when people categorize moronism, as individualism.

The two are nothing alike.

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