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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

One of the links I posted to earlier, which you pointed out you chose not to look at for some reason: https://apnews.com/9148d740c10fcd784867eda74055aaa5

And the story about the posted video: https://kutv.com/news/local/police-shots-fired-in-provo-possibly-connected-to-protests

Well, from the headline you posted, I see the word "possibly."

Possibly means not yet known.

I tell you what, when the number of real cases of motorists being shot in their cars, or pulled from cars and beaten, starts to resemble the number of innocent Black folks killed around the country by cops, I will start to care.

Until then, my empathy is with protesters. 

 

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53 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Well, from the headline you posted, I see the word "possibly."

Possibly means not yet known.

You only read the initial reports of a shooting, there are then updates posted as more information became available, which included video of the shooting as well as video of the shooter taking part in the protests.  You seem to read very selectively.

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Numerous citizens and protestors provided video footage. A white SUV was driving south on University Avenue before pulling into the right turn lane in an attempt to turn onto Center Street. Several protestors began crowding around the vehicle. A male protestor ran to the SUV on the passenger side, pointed a handgun at driver and shot one round through the window.

The driver, who was struck by the bullet, hit the gas trying to leave the situation. The same protestor ran after the vehicle and shot a second round that went through the rear passenger window. The video then shows that the protestor conceals the firearm and continues to protest. This same protestor later approached another vehicle at 500 North and University Avenue striking and breaking the window with the handgun.

The shooter has since been identified and arrested.

 

55 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

I tell you what, when the number of real cases of motorists being shot in their cars, or pulled from cars and beaten, starts to resemble the number of innocent Black folks killed around the country by cops, I will start to care.

Until then, my empathy is with protesters. 

 

So you oppose policy brutality because it's wrong to harm someone without just cause, and I'm with you on that one, but it's OK for protesters to harm someone without just cause?  You have extremely different views of someone committing the same basic act based on who committed the act, isn't that pretty straightforward prejudice and bias?

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

You only read the initial reports of a shooting, there are then updates posted as more information became available, which included video of the shooting as well as video of the shooter taking part in the protests.  You seem to read very selectively.

The shooter has since been identified and arrested.

 

So you oppose policy brutality because it's wrong to harm someone without just cause, and I'm with you on that one, but it's OK for protesters to harm someone without just cause?  You have extremely different views of someone committing the same basic act based on who committed the act, isn't that pretty straightforward prejudice and bias?

I don't think that protesters shooting anybody is okay.

I certainly have never stated otherwise.

But, as I have stated numerous times now, I take exception to your "ambush" descriptions.

You certainly play loose with words and examples, and that is what I have a problem with.

 

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Protesters in Louisville and Lexington have shut down roads many times.

No motorists shot by protesters.

 

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

You only read the initial reports of a shooting, there are then updates posted as more information became available, which included video of the shooting as well as video of the shooter taking part in the protests.  You seem to read very selectively.

The shooter has since been identified and arrested.

 

So you oppose policy brutality because it's wrong to harm someone without just cause, and I'm with you on that one, but it's OK for protesters to harm someone without just cause?  You have extremely different views of someone committing the same basic act based on who committed the act, isn't that pretty straightforward prejudice and bias?

You appear to be looking for a fight, and I don't know why.

Your examples, by your own admission on uneven, at best.

We obviously don't agree on the definition of "ambush."

You will find it difficult, I imagine, to get anybody on these threads to say it is okay to shoot innocent people.

And if you have read any of my previous posts, you know that I don't advocate for the killing of anyone.

To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

 

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2 hours ago, MunoRN said:

You only read the initial reports of a shooting, there are then updates posted as more information became available, which included video of the shooting as well as video of the shooter taking part in the protests.  You seem to read very selectively.

The shooter has since been identified and arrested.

 

So you oppose policy brutality because it's wrong to harm someone without just cause, and I'm with you on that one, but it's OK for protesters to harm someone without just cause?  You have extremely different views of someone committing the same basic act based on who committed the act, isn't that pretty straightforward prejudice and bias?

Did you read the latest on the Bloomington example, you shared?

The driver of the car that struck protesters as they were dispersing, was arrested.

Just read it in the NY Times.

If anybody was ambushed, it was the protesters.

Thank goodness they arrested the driver.

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3 hours ago, MunoRN said:

You only read the initial reports of a shooting, there are then updates posted as more information became available, which included video of the shooting as well as video of the shooter taking part in the protests.  You seem to read very selectively.

The shooter has since been identified and arrested.

 

So you oppose policy brutality because it's wrong to harm someone without just cause, and I'm with you on that one, but it's OK for protesters to harm someone without just cause?  You have extremely different views of someone committing the same basic act based on who committed the act, isn't that pretty straightforward prejudice and bias?

If you read the Times story about Bloomington, you will read of the rash of killings of protesters by motorists.

They mentioned another example of a motorist striking a protester in Bakersfield, CA.

You seem to be reading selectively.

I keep seeing examples of out of control motorists, striking protesters.

Not the other way around, as you argue, using inaccurate examples.

 

 

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On 7/9/2020 at 7:53 PM, Lil Nel said:

Did you read the latest on the Bloomington example, you shared?

The driver of the car that struck protesters as they were dispersing, was arrested.

Just read it in the NY Times.

If anybody was ambushed, it was the protesters.

Thank goodness they arrested the driver...

If you read the Times story about Bloomington, you will read of the rash of killings of protesters by motorists.

They mentioned another example of a motorist striking a protester in Bakersfield, CA.

You seem to be reading selectively.

I keep seeing examples of out of control motorists, striking protesters.

Not the other way around, as you argue, using inaccurate examples.

 

 

The driver was charged with striking a protester that ran along side the car and then jumped onto the car in the video, no, I don't agree that's a valid charge, or that the protesters were innocent bystanders in that scenario.

I'm not sure where you're getting that there aren't numerous cases of motorists intentionally striking protesters, I've made no argument that doesn't happen or that it's not unacceptable behavior, however I don't agree it's makes bad behavior by protestors acceptable, or that it furthers their cause.

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On 7/9/2020 at 6:23 PM, Lil Nel said:

I don't think that protesters shooting anybody is okay.

I certainly have never stated otherwise.

But, as I have stated numerous times now, I take exception to your "ambush" descriptions.

You certainly play loose with words and examples, and that is what I have a problem with.

 

 

On 7/9/2020 at 6:35 PM, Lil Nel said:

You appear to be looking for a fight, and I don't know why.

Your examples, by your own admission on uneven, at best.

We obviously don't agree on the definition of "ambush."

You will find it difficult, I imagine, to get anybody on these threads to say it is okay to shoot innocent people.

And if you have read any of my previous posts, you know that I don't advocate for the killing of anyone.

To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

 

You pointed out that until there were a similar number of unacceptable acts perpetrated by protesters as by police then you would "start to care".  That was pretty clear so I'm not sure why you're taking offense to me asking if that's what you really meant.

On 7/9/2020 at 3:40 PM, Lil Nel said:

Well, from the headline you posted, I see the word "possibly."

Possibly means not yet known.

I tell you what, when the number of real cases of motorists being shot in their cars, or pulled from cars and beaten, starts to resemble the number of innocent Black folks killed around the country by cops, I will start to care.

Until then, my empathy is with protesters. 

 

 

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Protesting, except for silent parades, are always frought with danger.  Better to organize ways to strike your enemies in the wallet.  Burn your Target down and they just move elsewhere.  I lived in a neighborhood in anesthesia school that had no grocery or drug stores (in the 80's).  Real big problem.  Even now residents have to walk far to the new supermarkets because they move where the highways are.  

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7 hours ago, MunoRN said:

The driver was charged with striking a protester that ran along side the car and then jumped onto the car in the video, no, I don't agree that's a valid charge, or that the protesters were innocent bystanders in that scenario.

I'm not sure where you're getting that there aren't numerous cases of motorists intentionally striking protesters, I've made no argument that doesn't happen or that it's not unacceptable behavior, however I don't agree it's makes bad behavior by protestors acceptable, or that it furthers their cause.

The entire premise of the thread is "out of bounds," protesting.

That is how I came with my assessment.

The case in Bloomington, that you don't see charges as valid, even though the cops do, several people, and video backs it up, shows the protesters were dispersing, and the driver continued to drive into them.

So, yes, folks hung on to her car. That's what happens, quite often, when people are struck by slow moving vehicles.

You must not have read witness accounts of the incident.

I did, as I stated, when the incident happened, and in the Times, when the driver was arrested.

I also called IN DNR, to inquire about the incident that lead to the protest.

I also called the Munroe County prosecutors office, about the near lynching incident that lead to the protests.

 

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21 hours ago, MunoRN said:

 

You pointed out that until there were a similar number of unacceptable acts perpetrated by protesters as by police then you would "start to care".  That was pretty clear so I'm not sure why you're taking offense to me asking if that's what you really meant.

 

You see, when I say may empathy goes towards the protesters, I don't just mean typing words of support on online threads.

I make phone calls.

In the IN case, my phone calls, which were very polite, and taken from a public safety viewpoint as I live in a neighboring state, and have hiked the Hoosier National Forest and IN state parks, have gone unanswered.

Yep.

If you deliberately drive into a crowd of peaceful protesters, who are leaving an area, and try to tell you that, well, you get NO sympathy from me.

This woman wasn't "ambushed" or "menaced" as you have erroneously suggested.

 

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