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4 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I get the Democrats' admiration for Biden, he's about as affable as they come, and he's a Democratic party legacy, at this point he's essentially the cuddly mascot of the party.  

Mascots are important, but while the San Diego Chicken is a likable and popular mascot, you wouldn't put him in the game to bat in the bottom of the ninth.

The problem with treating Biden with kid's gloves is that he definitely won't be treated that way past the democrat primaries.  If he can't handle pretty reasonable and justified jabs by Castro, he'll get creamed in the real world of politics.

Why are you thinking he can't handle it?  He held his cool and got good reviews and by many accounts gave one of the best performances.  

Prior to this he's been roasted in the real world of politics for his past, his gaffes, and is inconsistencies.  Castro tried to join in the roasting and (apparently since I didn't see it and am only reading it) failed.  

Biden handled it.

That said he's not on the list of people I might potentially vote for in the primary. 

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10 hours ago, Tweety said:

Why are you thinking he can't handle it?  He held his cool and got good reviews and by many accounts gave one of the best performances.  

Prior to this he's been roasted in the real world of politics for his past, his gaffes, and is inconsistencies.  Castro tried to join in the roasting and (apparently since I didn't see it and am only reading it) failed.  

Biden handled it.

That said he's not on the list of people I might potentially vote for in the primary. 

I agree with you, Tweety.

I have seen no indications of Biden not being able to "handle" it.

He is a veteran politician. He knows the game, quite well.

And having seen him live, last fall, in eastern Kentucky, I can share that he is excellent with a crowd, much like Bill Clinton.

It is all going to come down to who is best positioned to return Trump to FL, or whatever other place will have him in 2021.

Maybe Trump can be neighbors with Edward Snowden in Russia!

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It's not clear that the media can handle it.  Look at how the media plays all of this gaffe silliness up already. 

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20 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's not clear that the media can handle it.  Look at how the media plays all of this gaffe silliness up already. 

They do the same with Trump almost daily.  I think gaffes are worthy to be noted.  Sometimes it's just a gaffe and sometimes it's a window into who they are.  

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17 hours ago, Tweety said:

Why are you thinking he can't handle it?  He held his cool and got good reviews and by many accounts gave one of the best performances.  

Prior to this he's been roasted in the real world of politics for his past, his gaffes, and is inconsistencies.  Castro tried to join in the roasting and (apparently since I didn't see it and am only reading it) failed.  

Biden handled it.

That said he's not on the list of people I might potentially vote for in the primary. 

I was referring more the common narrative that Castro was to tough on him, which would imply he have Biden more than he should be expected to handle.

But I also don't think Biden handled the criticism of his healthcare plan in a way that showed he can 'handle it', he failed to offer a coherent defense of his plan when challenged.  I didn't get the impression that Castro failed in 'roasting' Biden, the backlash against him has been because he was successful.

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

They do the same with Trump almost daily.  I think gaffes are worthy to be noted.  Sometimes it's just a gaffe and sometimes it's a window into who they are.  

Nah.

They will make the same mistake of trying to give every candidate's "gaffes" some notion of equal time. This will ultimately, as it did in 2016, serve to normalize Trump's obviously abnormal behavior/speech patterns/dishonesty. 

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49 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nah.

They will make the same mistake of trying to give every candidate's "gaffes" some notion of equal time. This will ultimately, as it did in 2016, serve to normalize Trump's obviously abnormal behavior/speech patterns/dishonesty. 

I know what you're saying but don't quite agree that is what the press is doing when they report "gaffes".  Gaffes are juicy stories, plain and simple and make for good headlines.  

Since they are few and far between with one particular candidate other than Trump, it won't normalize anything with them.

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3 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I was referring more the common narrative that Castro was to tough on him, which would imply he have Biden more than he should be expected to handle.

But I also don't think Biden handled the criticism of his healthcare plan in a way that showed he can 'handle it', he failed to offer a coherent defense of his plan when challenged.  I didn't get the impression that Castro failed in 'roasting' Biden, the backlash against him has been because he was successful.

Sounds a bit twisted but will allow you your opinions and views of the situation.  

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5 hours ago, Tweety said:

I know what you're saying but don't quite agree that is what the press is doing when they report "gaffes".  Gaffes are juicy stories, plain and simple and make for good headlines.  

Since they are few and far between with one particular candidate other than Trump, it won't normalize anything with them.

I don't think that most gaffes are juicy stories in any way. I'm also probably not representative of most Americans. 

If one candidate makes an embarrassing gaffe once per week on the campaign trail, it will be covered each time the president makes a noteworthy gaffe.  A few gaffes will be covered repeatedly  to "balance" the continuous stream of gaffes, grifting, and generalized  verbal incompetence which flows from this president. It creates a false sense of equivalency for many viewers/consumers. 

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8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't think that most gaffes are juicy stories in any way. I'm also probably not representative of most Americans. 

If one candidate makes an embarrassing gaffe once per week on the campaign trail, it will be covered each time the president makes a noteworthy gaffe.  A few gaffes will be covered repeatedly  to "balance" the continuous stream of gaffes, grifting, and generalized  verbal incompetence which flows from this president. It creates a false sense of equivalency for many viewers/consumers. 

That doesn't make sense to me.  They are covering candidates gaffes just for "equivalancy"?  I will allow you that opinion of course.

I personally think gaffes are overrated and don't find them "juicy" either, but understand why they are covered.  I was very interested in the gaffe of Biden calling "poor children just as smart as white".  Like I said it reveals who he is.

While we're on Biden and the debate, maybe Muno was more correct that I realized.  

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Biden’s answer was staggeringly incoherent, obscuring, to his own benefit, what was, underneath, a horrifyingly racist answer.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/13/joe-biden-democratic-debate-slavery/

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

That doesn't make sense to me.  They are covering candidates gaffes just for "equivalancy"?  I will allow you that opinion of course.

I personally think gaffes are overrated and don't find them "juicy" either, but understand why they are covered.  I was very interested in the gaffe of Biden calling "poor children just as smart as white".  Like I said it reveals who he is.

While we're on Biden and the debate, maybe Muno was more correct that I realized.  

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/13/joe-biden-democratic-debate-slavery/

You don't think that television media, specifically, equivocated Trump's dishonesty and verbal incompetence during the 2016 campaign? 

Why journalistic "balance" is failing the public.

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Every candidate will make a gaffe, or stumble in some way.

They are human beings, not machines.

I think Tweety has a point, though, and agree that sometimes a gaffe, is simply the result of being tired, hungry, or both, and sometimes it is the result of a personality disorder.

With Trump, the gaffes are the direct result of a personality disorder.

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