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Much of the Beltway establishment scoffed at the promise of cost savings. The prevalent attitude in Washington is that reform isn’t real unless the little people suffer; serious savings are supposed to come from things like raising the Medicare age (which the Congressional Budget Office recently concluded would, in fact, hardly save any money) and throwing millions of Americans off Medicaid. True, a 2011 letter signed by hundreds of health and labor economists pointed out that “the Affordable Care Act contains essentially every cost-containment provision policy analysts have considered effective in reducing the rate of medical spending.” But such expert views were largely ignored.

So, how’s it going? The health exchanges are off to a famously rocky start, but many, though by no means all, of the cost-control measures have already kicked in. Has the curve been bent?

The answer, amazingly, is yes. In fact, the slowdown in health costs has been dramatic.

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Obamacare fail? Never!

Tomorrow is December 1st....everything is going to be fixed! Hurray! :troll: ;)

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Obamacare fail? Never!

Tomorrow is December 1st....everything is going to be fixed! Hurray! :troll: ;)

Really that is not what I heard on the news, I heard that the website could only process 50K at one time and enrollment is much less then they excepted.

Also the people who get coverage through their employer do not presently know how they will be effected.

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Really that is not what I heard on the news, I heard that the website could only process 50K at one time and enrollment is much less then they excepted.

Also the people who get coverage through their employer do not presently know how they will be effected.

Hey, I was being sarcastic! I'm on your side :)

I think it is going to continue to be a disaster.

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Too bad obama is allowed to change this and delay to make it look like everything will be rosy in the end. His actions are arguably not within his power to do as he is changing the law as he goes. His job as the "executor" is to execute the law as written, passed by Congress and signed by.....him! The facts that show it is not working to his expectations is one of those inconvenient truths. As much as I don't like the law, it should be administered as written, and fail accordingly.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/opinion/krugman-obamacares-secret-success.html?_r=0

Much of the Beltway establishment scoffed at the promise of cost savings. The prevalent attitude in Washington is that reform isn’t real unless the little people suffer; serious savings are supposed to come from things like raising the Medicare age (which the Congressional Budget Office recently concluded would, in fact, hardly save any money) and throwing millions of Americans off Medicaid. True, a 2011 letter signed by hundreds of health and labor economists pointed out that “the Affordable Care Act contains essentially every cost-containment provision policy analysts have considered effective in reducing the rate of medical spending.” But such expert views were largely ignored.

So, how’s it going? The health exchanges are off to a famously rocky start, but many, though by no means all, of the cost-control measures have already kicked in. Has the curve been bent?

The answer, amazingly, is yes. In fact, the slowdown in health costs has been dramatic.

If you really want to change people's opinions, you shouldn't resort to Paul Krugman, or reports from the Executive Office of the POTUS to convince! Just saying.

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Hey, I was being sarcastic! I'm on your side :)

I think it is going to continue to be a disaster.

And it should be replaced with...

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And it should be replaced with...

I am guessing that most people who have had the policies they liked are wishing there was no replacement.

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Even Obama himself acknowledges that the old system is preferable, as evidenced by his multiple unilateral proclamations that he will delay (in some cases for over one year): 1. implementation the employer mandate, 2. establishment of employer exchanges, 3. enforcement of the mandatory points of coverage (by allowing individual policyolders to retain "substandard" policies for this coming year).

The following piece is an interesting, enlightening and forthright discussion of Obama's unsupportable B.S. argument that current individual policies are substandard, and that those policyholders are not facing rate hikes, but paying for policy upgrades.

The article in it's entirety.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303460004579192081764514664

Even as President Obama reluctantly granted Americans thrown off their health plans quasi-permission to possibly keep them, he called them "the folks who, over time, I think, are going to find that the marketplaces are better." He means the ObamaCare exchanges that are replacing the private insurance market, adding that "it's important that we don't pretend that somehow that's a place worth going back to."...

Mr. Obama and his liberal allies call the old plans "substandard," but he doesn't mean from the perspective of the consumers who bought them. He means people were free to choose insurance that wasn't designed to serve his social equity and income redistribution goals. In his view, many people must pay first-class fares for coach seats so others can pay less and receive extra benefits.

Liberals justify these coercive cross-subsidies as necessary to finance coverage for the uninsured and those with pre-existing conditions. But government usually helps the less fortunate honestly by raising taxes to fund programs. In summer 2009, Senate Democrats put out such a bill, and the $1.6 trillion sticker shock led them to hide the transfers by forcing people to buy overpriced products.

 

This political mugging is especially unfair to the people whose plans on the current individual market are being taken away. The majority of these consumers are self-employed or small-business owners. They're middle class, rarely affluent. They took responsibility for their care without government aid, and unlike people in the job-based system, they paid with after-tax dollars.

 

Now they're being punished for the crime of not subsidizing ObamaCare, even though the individual market was never as dysfunctional or high cost as liberals claim. In 2012, average U.S. individual premiums were $190, ranging from a low of $123 in North Dakota to a high of $385 in Massachusetts. Average premiums for family plans fell that year by 0.5% to $412.

Those numbers come from the 13,000 different policies from 180 insurers sold on eHealthInsurance.com, the online shopping brokerage that works. (Technological wonders never cease.) Individuals can make the trade-offs between costs and benefits for themselves. This wide variety is proof that humans don't all want or need the same thing. If they did, there would b e no need for a market and government could satisfy everybody.

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It is important to recall that the original idea from whence ACA came is the Mass. model started by Romney.

It is equally important to recall that Romney, Republicans and conservatives had the good sense NOT to implement this system nationwide. Obamacare is purely the "accomplishment" of the Democratic President, House, and Senate. Please place credit where credit is due.

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And it should be replaced with...

Seriously? You consider the ACA a good law (you must be very young)? You think this has been a success? :eek:

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Seriously? You consider the ACA a good law (you must be very young)? You think this has been a success? :eek:

The only thing worse than Obamacare is what we had before.

I've come to realize that for many who hate Obamacare, the only think they hate worse are the alternatives to Obamacare, which is why the "repeal and replace" idea still leaves the details of the "replace" part blank.

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