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7 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

“Former special counsel Robert Mueller clarified at the start of the afternoon hearing that in answering a questionfrom Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) in the morning, he was not saying he didn’t charge President Trump with obstruction of justice because of the OLC opinion barring indictment of a sitting president. 

Instead, he was saying it precluded him from making a decision on whether Trump should be charged.”

https://politicalwire.com/2019/07/24/mueller-clarifies-early-statement-on-indicting-trump/

It should also be reminded to some he also told Barr that the OLC rule is not why he didn’t indict Trump.

 

 

According to Barr that's what Mueller told him, according to Mueller that's not what he told Barr.  So either Barr misunderstood Mueller or was lying.  

Muellerhas been consistent in stating that the olc rule prevented him from making a determination to pursue charges.  Mueller has never said that if pursuing charges were an option that there were no potential instances of obstruction to pursue and actually listed a number of such instances in his report.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Yes it is.  I heard a question from a Florida congress person about his hand-written questions to Mueller and how he declined to answer them fully or put in false information i.e. lied.  Mueller said this was true.  

Ultimately, I don't think any new and exciting has been uncovered.  For me I think the idea of foreign government interference should be the big issue here, and how we can deal and stop it.

Nonetheless Trump really can end a lot of it if he had the maturity to just shut his mouth and keep his Twitter feed quiet.  But he can't resist playing victim to his base of a "witch hunt", "fake news media" and on and on.  He just can't help himself.  

All of it is a big deal. 

A corrupt and dishonest president is vulnerable to manipulation. Trump already tried to work with Russia to win in 2016 and has already announced that he will be seeking the assistance of foreign interests if they are interested in interacting in our elections. 

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4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Facts which were highlighted and clarified today:

Trump campaign team members lied during the investigation. 

Trump lies to this day about the nature (witch hunt) and findings (vindicated/exonerated) of the investigation. 

The only reason that Trump isn't currently under indictment is because of his office and title.

Republicans in the Nixon era cared more about law and order and rule of law than Republicans in the Trump era do. Okay, this really is my opinion but after watching congressional hearings for a very long time it is remarkable to consider what they are working so hard to ignore/excuse/accept today. 

 

So many libs are trying to out lipstick on this pig of a hearing.  I’m not even going to bother to debate this list.

What do they believe they accomplished today?

I’ll add to your list though, if you don’t mind.

Mueller was not fired.

Mueller said “yes” when asked if he was able to complete his investigation “un encumbered”.

Mueller wasn’t very involved in the investigation.  He was a figurehead.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, MoondoggieRN said:

So many libs are trying to out lipstick on this pig of a hearing.  I’m not even going to bother to debate this list.

What do they believe they accomplished today?

I’ll add to your list though, if you don’t mind.

Mueller was not fired.

Mueller said “yes” when asked if he was able to complete his investigation “un encumbered”.

Mueller wasn’t very involved in the investigation.  He was a figurehead.

 

 

Your facts are interesting in that they are completely irrelevant to the larger questions and dangers that surround having a corrupt man with no ethical compass in the presidency, IMHO. Do you find those to be some of the more consequential facts that you discovered or reflected upon during the hearings?  What's the point in focusing upon tertiary facts which are irrelevant to our national security when significant facts about Trump's dishonesty were revealed today?

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43 minutes ago, MoondoggieRN said:

So many libs are trying to out lipstick on this pig of a hearing.  I’m not even going to bother to debate this list.

What do they believe they accomplished today?

I’ll add to your list though, if you don’t mind.

Mueller was not fired.

Mueller said “yes” when asked if he was able to complete his investigation “un encumbered”.

Mueller wasn’t very involved in the investigation.  He was a figurehead.

 

 

Once again, Mueller made it perfectly clear, that each time Trump opens his mouth, and states that Mueller Report exonerated him, he is LYING.

Yes, I loved Doug Collins (R-GA), make such an emotional show, over Trump not firing Mueller.

But then Mueller went on to testify that Trump repeatedly tried to get OTHERS to fire Mueller, at his behest.

Hmm.

When the person being investigated, tries multiple times to fire, the investigator, well, the word obstruction, comes to mind, doesn't it?

Yes, I heard Trump's personal lawyer, on NPR, this afternoon, saying prosecutors can't exonerate anyone.

I read that exact line on another thread.

When I read it, I knew parroting was going on, and I was right!

 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

All of it is a big deal. 

A corrupt and dishonest president is vulnerable to manipulation. Trump already tried to work with Russia to win in 2016 and has already announced that he will be seeking the assistance of foreign interests if they are interested in interacting in our elections. 

Yes, and Trump JOKES with Putin, about this.

Does a Patriot, joke, with a foreign adversary, about interference in US elections?

No.

Mueller also had some things to say about WikiLeaks, and then Democrats played tape of Trump praising WikiLeaks.

It seems Mike Pompeo, doesn't agree with Trump's whimsical assessment of WikiLeaks.

Not that I think Trump has any idea of what Cabinet officials say or do.

He seems pretty oblivious as to the day to day workings of his own administration.

He seems to spend an inordinate amount of time on the toilet, Tweeting nonsense.

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Mueller was very clear in Trump committing criminal acts but his supporters can't seem to grasp that concept. I don't know if it's willful ignorance or they really don't understand how detrimental his behavior is, either way, he has to go!

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5 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

Mueller was very clear in Trump committing criminal acts but his supporters can't seem to grasp that concept. I don't know if it's willful ignorance or they really don't understand how detrimental his behavior is, either way, he has to go!

As the old saying goes, "Denial is more than a river in Egypt".

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6 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Once again, Mueller made it perfectly clear, that each time Trump opens his mouth, and states that Mueller Report exonerated him, he is LYING.

Trump is misusing the term, or lying if you prefer.  I’m not sure why a person you all think is a buffoon is lying if he is misusing a legal term?

Meanwhile, a special prosecutor and Democrat congress people, many who are lawyers and know better, and the media

are using the term to purposely damage the president.  No problem with that, right?

6 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

When the person being investigated, tries multiple times to fire, the investigator, well, the word obstruction, comes to mind, doesn't it?

He didn’t have to try.  He could have just done it.  But didn’t.

6 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Yes, I heard Trump's personal lawyer, on NPR, this afternoon, saying prosecutors can't exonerate anyone.

I read that exact line on another thread.

 When I read it, I knew parroting was going on, and I was right!

Funny coming from the “Mueller doesn’t exonerate” crowd.

 

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3 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

Mueller was very clear in Trump committing criminal acts but his supporters can't seem to grasp that concept. I don't know if it's willful ignorance or they really don't understand how detrimental his behavior is, either way, he has to go!

Actually, he was very clear in saying he didn’t make a decision on that.

He easily could have said in his report and his testimony, “I believe Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice”.  

That would have been in his purview.

But, he didn’t.

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Obviously these are excerpts but my point would be all sides had some critical things to say and weren't exactly thrilled with Mueller's testimony.  

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