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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

Moondoggie was talking about two networks and not Fox News, and Grumpy shot back with "what about Fox News".  Not relevant to the conversation about those two networks. 

In my opinion.

Sorry Tweety, I so want to answer you just now but I am almost finished my second (large) glass of Merlot and I have learned (to my cost) not to mix alcohol and keyboards. I will answer your point tomorrow. 😀  🍷🍷

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30 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I don't really think the loss will hurt the NY Times, as their subscription numbers are at an all time high.

But such a move does hurt library patrons.

Trumpsters must sit on the library board.

They wholeheartedly support and embrace ignorance.

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17 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

Sorry Tweety, I so want to answer you just now but I am almost finished my second (large) glass of Merlot and I have learned (to my cost) not to mix alcohol and keyboards. I will answer your point tomorrow. 😀  🍷🍷

No need since I'm not asking you a question that you need to answer or explain.  I was just saying what I felt about your post.   You're free to post as you wish. 

Hope you enjoyed the Merlot.

 

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I was looking up the story about the Whistleblower's lawyer tweeting about the "coup" that began in 2017 against President Trump because I was talking about it with a friend and I wanted to send him some articles.

Interesting, and a bit disappointing is that CNN and MSNBC online don't seem to be carrying the story at all.  But a Google search shows Fox News blowing up with many articles about it, although it's off their headlines for today.

The lawyer in question even picked Fox News to release a statement and defend himself.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblower-attorney-coup-trump   

I think the use of the word "coup" was not really a good choice and if he was really planning on overthrowing the President (and replacing him with whom, I'd like to know) like I said elsewhere, that is a crime.   Also, that people were against Trump and wanting him out of office as far back as 2017 isn't really newsworthy, but that he is the whistleblower's lawyer should be worth a mention.

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On 11/9/2019 at 3:08 PM, Tweety said:

I will say that in the world of business it would be hard to imagine that Fox News never fired someone unfairly, or maybe even colluded with another organization to fire someone,  but that's really a deflection from the poster's topic to change it about Fox News.

Just because you feel  it's standard practice doesn't make it right or that you should deflect and change the conversation.

 

21 hours ago, Tweety said:

Moondoggie was talking about two networks and not Fox News, and Grumpy shot back with "what about Fox News".  Not relevant to the conversation about those two networks. 

In my opinion.

 

56 minutes ago, Tweety said:

No need since I'm not asking you a question that you need to answer or explain.  I was just saying what I felt about your post.   You're free to post as you wish. 

Hope you enjoyed the Merlot.

 

Hi Tweety, I did enjoy the Merlot, South African and very nice.

I am unsure though how a post about the media could be classed as deflection or changing the conversation in a topic about the media.

My original point was that Moondoggie made a direct link to The DailyWire which as stated is a right wing news site and the article was about ABC and CBS which are left leaning sites. I merely pointed out the absurdity of thinking they were the only ones engaged in this type of behaviour especially when he/she specifically stated "Shameful, hypocrite, liberal media."

Remember I am in the UK and don't have access to American news channels. We did have Fox news for a while but it was so bad and had such a small audience that it was taken off air.

As I stated later in the conversation Moondoggie was showing their confirmation bias and while I admit I also do this (like all of us) I do try to be fair and usually get my news from the BBC and ITV.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday, I am off to meet friends for a few beers (yes I know, too much alcohol this weekend).👍🍻

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59 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I was looking up the story about the Whistleblower's lawyer tweeting about the "coup" that began in 2017 against President Trump because I was talking about it with a friend and I wanted to send him some articles.

Interesting, and a bit disappointing is that CNN and MSNBC online don't seem to be carrying the story at all.  But a Google search shows Fox News blowing up with many articles about it, although it's off their headlines for today.

The lawyer in question even picked Fox News to release a statement and defend himself.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblower-attorney-coup-trump   

I think the use of the word "coup" was not really a good choice and if he was really planning on overthrowing the President (and replacing him with whom, I'd like to know) like I said elsewhere, that is a crime.   Also, that people were against Trump and wanting him out of office as far back as 2017 isn't really newsworthy, but that he is the whistleblower's lawyer should be worth a mention.

Gosh, this seems so desperate.

The whistleblower told us there was unseemly stuff going on, using proper and legal channels. The evidence was examined and, indeed there was/is unseemly stuff going on.  Now the perpetrators of the unseemly stuff want to punish the whistleblower and anyone associated with him while ignoring the unseemly stuff. Because the attorney used the word coup on a tweet after Trump was elected, before there was a whistleblower, before there was a legitimate reason to investigate to incompetence of this administration, the Trumpsters are certain that this is a deep and wicked plot.

I guess that Trump et al are deluded enough to believe that they could just do whatever they want and would not be held accountable because if they just whine about the deep state their voting base will just chant luck them up in response.  If only he was a smart enough criminal to understand that there are people watching and listening ALL THE TIME who are loyal to our Constitution and not to him. 

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2 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:

 

 

Hi Tweety, I did enjoy the Merlot, South African and very nice.

I am unsure though how a post about the media could be classed as deflection or changing the conversation in a topic about the media.

My original point was that Moondoggie made a direct link to The DailyWire which as stated is a right wing news site and the article was about ABC and CBS which are left leaning sites. I merely pointed out the absurdity of thinking they were the only ones engaged in this type of behaviour especially when he/she specifically stated "Shameful, hypocrite, liberal media."

Remember I am in the UK and don't have access to American news channels. We did have Fox news for a while but it was so bad and had such a small audience that it was taken off air.

As I stated later in the conversation Moondoggie was showing their confirmation bias and while I admit I also do this (like all of us) I do try to be fair and usually get my news from the BBC and ITV.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday, I am off to meet friends for a few beers (yes I know, too much alcohol this weekend).👍🍻

IMV your remark was right on topic.  While one poster might make a narrow more specific point a return to the broader topic is not a deflection. 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

IMV your remark was right on topic.  While one poster might make a narrow more specific point a return to the broader topic is not a deflection. 

Moondoggie's topic was specific and Grumpy totally ignored that.  That's my issue. 

Of course, I understand "the broader topic" is the media, but Grumpy perhaps should not have quoted Moondoggie and just made a broad statement.

I'm well known to have this attitude, and I'm trying to be fair because I recently jumped down Moondoggie for doing this and you of course didn't defend him.

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Hey Tweety, you might be interested in Opinion piece in today's WaPo, written by the president of the NY Public Library:

Citrus County, Fla, Leaders Don't Like The NY Times. That Doesn't Justify Keeping It Out Of Their Library

Comments contained in piece, from one of the commissoners have a decidedly Trumpian tone, of "fake news,"  and the like.

All Patriots should be alarmed by a library commission seeking to shut out the free press from an entity that supposedly exists for educational purposes and the exchange of ideas.

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Gosh, this seems so desperate.

The whistleblower told us there was unseemly stuff going on, using proper and legal channels. The evidence was examined and, indeed there was/is unseemly stuff going on.  Now the perpetrators of the unseemly stuff want to punish the whistleblower and anyone associated with him while ignoring the unseemly stuff. Because the attorney used the word coup on a tweet after Trump was elected, before there was a whistleblower, before there was a legitimate reason to investigate to incompetence of this administration, the Trumpsters are certain that this is a deep and wicked plot.

I guess that Trump et al are deluded enough to believe that they could just do whatever they want and would not be held accountable because if they just whine about the deep state their voting base will just chant luck them up in response.  If only he was a smart enough criminal to understand that there are people watching and listening ALL THE TIME who are loyal to our Constitution and not to him. 

Ahh, baloney, your last line got to the heart of the problem for Trump.

He actually believes, and apparently so do his followers from comments I have read on these threads, and elsewhere, that the loyalty should be with HIM.

He and his followers are willing to disregard the Constitution and all semblance of a democracy, in order to either enrich themselves, or promote deplorable policies.

Trump is a pretty basic criminal.

He only wants to enrich himself.

In order to do that unfettered, he has surrounded himself with those who seek the same.

To keep the rank and file in line, to keep them chanting the cult slogans and voting for cult members, you throw them "shiny objects," (Genghis Khan style).

Trump is far from genius.

Very basic, indeed.

He thrives and succeeds because of human greed.

Which is why he and followers can't understand anybody like the Whistleblower, Fiona Hill, William Taylor, etc., who actually stands up for our country and Consitution, without any visible and direct payout.

 

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I was looking up the story about the Whistleblower's lawyer tweeting about the "coup" that began in 2017 against President Trump because I was talking about it with a friend and I wanted to send him some articles.

Interesting, and a bit disappointing is that CNN and MSNBC online don't seem to be carrying the story at all.  But a Google search shows Fox News blowing up with many articles about it, although it's off their headlines for today.

The lawyer in question even picked Fox News to release a statement and defend himself.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblower-attorney-coup-trump   

I think the use of the word "coup" was not really a good choice and if he was really planning on overthrowing the President (and replacing him with whom, I'd like to know) like I said elsewhere, that is a crime.   Also, that people were against Trump and wanting him out of office as far back as 2017 isn't really newsworthy, but that he is the whistleblower's lawyer should be worth a mention.

The use of the word "coup" is little more than right-wing hyperbole.

I suggest anybody who thinks it an appropriate term, look back, in history, at actual government coups.

Are they bloodless?

Are they carried out by a single person?

Is the military involved?

Are they carried out in a matter of days, or years?

Do they result in immediate change of governmental leaders, or no changes at all?

Trumpsters like to think that dissent, is a "coup," but that isn't true.

Dissent is patriotic.

Blind allegiance, is not patriotic. It is the type of behavior associated with cults.

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