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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

A well-written analysis of the role the media played in the Russia collusion hoax, and the consequences that will come.

From a liberal writer on the Rolling Stone.

“The inability to face the enormity of the last few years of errors will cost the news media its credibility, even with blue-state audiences”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russiagate-fiasco-taibbi-news-media-826246/

 

I'm not going to disagree with the article or nitpick what I don't agree with.  I like that you posted this article.

What I do see as a problem is the right believes the media made this up as a hoax to get to Trump.  I've already admitted they ran with this story and convinced the public that it was a real possibility.   Still it was always a possibility and a very real one at that and the sources I use were pretty much responsible in using words like "if he colluded", or "there's a possibility he did".  I also have stated and still believe it to be true that it was just too juicy a story to not report.  I don't think opinion pieces are "media" so those opinion pieces that were more on the idea that he did collude aren't "news media" to me.

Did the media make mistakes?  Yes they did.  Did they make up this story as a hoax and fake news?  Nope.  Does the media tend to learn from their mistakes?  No, and he's probably right about that.

In looking at his articles, but not reading them, he wrote many anti-media articles and talks about the "Russia gate myth", and many about the media, as if the media made it up, and his articles seem to fit a more middle of the road, and fit into the conservative mindset of the media is bad (as evidenced by you're posting the article).  

Still, it is a good idea to look back.  As I said in another post "hindsight" is foresight.

All that said, when you have a president with no morals, that lies and makes things up from before he was elected, is it any wonder that this was speculated and reported as a possibility?  

I think not.

Edited by Tweety

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3 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

A well-written analysis of the role the media played in the Russia collusion hoax, and the consequences that will come.

From a liberal writer on the Rolling Stone.

“The inability to face the enormity of the last few years of errors will cost the news media its credibility, even with blue-state audiences”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russiagate-fiasco-taibbi-news-media-826246/

 

Everyone has an OPINION.

But the Mueller report showed us all that the media was spot-on with their reporting.

Did the Trump campaign hold meetings with the Russians, a foreign adversary?

Yes.

Did disgraced General Flynn repeatedly reach out to the Russians, a foreign adversary, for dirt on Hillary Clinton?

Yes.

We're members of the Trump campaign simply too stupid and inept to know what was wrong with such contact?

Yes.

As Tweety stated, we have all had the past two years and more to see what an incompetent, amoral, and generally person Trump is.

I get that you will defend him no matter what.

But the rest of us are just looking forward to November 2020, when the nightmare ends.

 

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The media made the biggest mistake when it gifted Trump with countless hours of television coverage leading to the 2016 election.  The old coot was elevated as a spectacle but GOP voters were impressed and ultimately vowed for him.  Mistake #1 was assuming that everyone was embarrassed or amused by Trump's bad public speaking, personal immorality, and simplistic propaganda. 

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33 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The media made the biggest mistake when it gifted Trump with countless hours of television coverage leading to the 2016 election.  The old coot was elevated as a spectacle but GOP voters were impressed and ultimately vowed for him.  Mistake #1 was assuming that everyone was embarrassed or amused by Trump's bad public speaking, personal immorality, and simplistic propaganda. 

How would you combat that?

Simply ignore him?

That wouldn't be right either.

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35 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The media made the biggest mistake when it gifted Trump with countless hours of television coverage leading to the 2016 election.  The old coot was elevated as a spectacle but GOP voters were impressed and ultimately vowed for him.  Mistake #1 was assuming that everyone was embarrassed or amused by Trump's bad public speaking, personal immorality, and simplistic propaganda. 

The media didn't gift him anything.

They covered him like any other candidate.

The problem was, and still is, the lack of moral backbone in this country.

Ordinary citizens need to call out friends and neighbors, who support such immorality.

I don't see much of that going on.

And of course, with few exceptions, no one in the GOP will confront such immorality, for fear he will call them unflattering names.

When I was home in RI recently, my uncle said he supported Trump.

My cousins and I, confronted him on all the racism and hate spewed by Trump.

We didn't treat vile viewpoints, as topics actually worthy of discussion.

Because they are not.

 

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There was plenty on lying by people in the campaign and White House denying even knowing any Russians.

No collusion, BUT Our country IS at risk of Russians and others interfering in the United States of America. 

President Trump refuses to even find out what they are doing. Stopping interference with OUR democracy should be a top priority! 

 

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2 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

The media didn't gift him anything.

They covered him like any other candidate.

 

I think CNN even regrets the amount of attention they gave him.  But with things like "ban all muslims"  "they are sending us their worst immigrants" "grab 'em by......." is it any wonder?  

Here's a story from before the election with the same opinion.

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Donald Trump is everywhere. It sometimes seems, and has seemed this way for several months, that the Republican nominee is all anyone can talk about.

Whether this is because the media is doing its duty or because news organizations are capitalizing on Trump’s bombast for ratings and traffic is a matter of debate. But one thing is clear: Trump is getting outsized attention compared with his opponents.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/09/trumps-media-saturation-quantified/498389/

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2 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

The media didn't gift him anything.

They covered him like any other candidate.

The problem was, and still is, the lack of moral backbone in this country.

Ordinary citizens need to call out friends and neighbors, who support such immorality.

I don't see much of that going on.

And of course, with few exceptions, no one in the GOP will confront such immorality, for fear he will call them unflattering names.

When I was home in RI recently, my uncle said he supported Trump.

My cousins and I, confronted him on all the racism and hate spewed by Trump.

We didn't treat vile viewpoints, as topics actually worthy of discussion.

Because they are not.

 

No they didn't cover him like any other candidate.  He constantly made a spectacle of himself and the media played his bulls#!+ for all they could squeeze out of each laughable moment. The respectable GOP candidates could barely get comparable press coverage without resorting to talking about Trump's hand size or other tabloid level topics. 

Fortune

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28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No they didn't cover him like any other candidate.  He constantly made a spectacle of himself and the media played his bulls#!+ for all they could squeeze out of each laughable moment. The respectable GOP candidates could barely get comparable press coverage without resorting to talking about Trump's hand size or other tabloid level topics. 

Fortune

Fair enough.

I guess I would like to see a comparison of coverage, and it is still news, when one candidate acts like a buffoon.

The media can't ignore it.

Maybe the networks could have signed an agreement among themselves: Only cover three acts of buffoonery a day.

Limit the buffoonery coverage.

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How about if they cover Trump's idiocy for 5 minutes they cover his competition with the same amount of time? 

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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How about if they cover Trump's idiocy for 5 minutes they cover his competition with the same amount of time? 

But how can the media do that, when the buffoonery lasts 20 hours a day?

Let's be real.

No other candidate will come close to the hours Trump spends acting like an idiot.

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