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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I could go on, but I think everyone gets the point.

No, please go on. 

I am really interested in what you have learned about the Mueller report.

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5 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

What is wrong is volume and intensity of reporting and commentary that without any basis pointed torward Trump acting criminally while he worked with Russians.  Its sad that some on the left can’t see how damaging that is to our country.

“We in this business, in our business, Sandra, need to look back and say ‘how in the world did several major news organizations, networks, newspapers and so on, devote so much time to what turned out to be utterly baseless speculation’ about the most serious crime you could imagine, mounting in some cases in the accusations we heard to treason.”

And for those who were pushing that collusion narrative, Hume suggests a little humility would help, although as of Monday afternoon, he isn’t seeing much.

“I’m seeing a handful of honest, liberal journalists who have no use for Trump agreeing that this was bad reporting all the way and some of them have been doing it for some time," Hume said.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/medias-trump-russia-collusion-coverage-is-the-worst-journalistic-debacle-of-my-lifetime-brit-hume-says

That a Fox News analyst is giving a blistering attack of the "mainstream media" of which they conveniently, even though they have the highest ratings in the mainstream, feel they are not a part of is not surprising.

I don't blame them.  I expect that conservatives, politicians and press alike will do a "See! I told you so. You were wrong!" kind of thing.

I might agree that the volume and reporting might have been excessive. Might.  It was a good story.  But we'll have to disagree that it was baseless.  It was always alleged and no responsible reporter claimed he was guilty of treason.  Although they might have reported that other's were saying that if this were true it would be treason.  

There's evidence that Russia meddled in our elections, people around Trump had meetings with Russia, people around Trump LIED about having meetings with Russia...why?  I don't think that's a forms a baseless conclusion that Trump was involved.  I really wanted to know.

At this point we have to accept that there is no evidence that Trump himself colluded and believe it or not I'm quite happy about that.  Believe me I am as it would have been worse for our country that what we're going through now.   

Just like there were always be people that believed OJ was guilty people are going to think what they want to about Trump.  Will it go away?  Probably not.  Fox News even in February of this year are still reporting on Clinton's emails.  

It is kind of disturbing that people are using this to say that it was all made up by the Fake News Media and this is what the Nazi's did.  They had a Fake News Media.  Interesting how they went from saying "there's a few good men in there marching for White Pride with Swaztikas" to  "the Fake News Media is run by Nazi Socialists".  

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5 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

There is actual evidence that Clinton has committed crimes.

We've spent countless hours on this already during the election, she's yesterday's news and a free woman without criminal convictions.  I'll just leave it at that.  

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5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

There is evidence of collusion. It is obvious. Just read the emails about the meeting in Trump Tower. Not prosecuting is not the same as no evidence. I have called out regurgitation of right wing propaganda add cult like AND have supported that with expert opinion. 

Nothing of the sort had been proven about the reporting on these serious matters. As you are aware, we don't know precisely what the Mueller report says about any of this outside of knowing that it does NOT exonerate Trump. I challenge you to provide this forum with one fact that you have learned from the Mueller report which goes against what I want so hard to be the truth.

I would encourage you to read Barr's summary.  As to your challenge, here is a quote from Mueller’s report that was included in Barr’s summary: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

And, to be honest that wasn’t very enlightening to me.  Based on the reporting and opinions I’ve been listening to on this issue for over two years I already knew there wasn’t any evidence of collusion.

It’s kinda funny.  We don’t know what’s in the report except for the small part of it that you like.  It doesn’t exonerate him of obstruction.  That your sure of, but not everything else.

Anyway, those of us with a understanding of the legal system know that it’s not a prosecutor’s job to exonerate anyone.  They investigate and then they charge someone of a crime or they don’t.

The mention by Mueller that he couldn’t exonerate Trump of obstruction was little more then a personal dig.  Have ever before heard a prosecutor say “yes, we think he’s guilty of this crime, but we’re not going to prosecute it”.

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1 minute ago, SC_RNDude said:

[...]

...Have ever before heard a prosecutor say “yes, we think he’s guilty of this crime, but we’re not going to prosecute it”.

Jesse Smollett.

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

We've spent countless hours on this already during the election, she's yesterday's news and a free woman without criminal convictions.  I'll just leave it at that.  

Yesterday’s news, but this issue keeps getting brought up.  If you don’t want to talk about it, then don’t bring it up yourself and call out the others who do.

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1 minute ago, chare said:

Jesse Smollett.

Haha!  I stand corrected.

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7 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Oh, did you get your own copy of the Mueller report before Congress or the American people? 

I read Barr’s summary.  Didn’t you?

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9 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

There is actual evidence that Clinton has committed crimes.

Really?

The same crimes as Jared and Ivanka over email?

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19 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

I read Barr’s summary.  Didn’t you?

Barr's summary, is a four-page summary, dude. It isn't the full report.

Another thing about Barr's summary, is that he he was able to cherry pick, and not quote fully, from Mueller's report.

You apparently either don't understand this, or are willfully ignorant.

Something you continue to overlook is the fact that Barr was handpicked by Trump.

Do you know why?

Do you know about the memo that Barr wrote, before being nominated to AG, that somehow ended up in the hands of WH?

Probably not.

Those Fox talking heads that you enjoy so much, have probably never mentioned it.

You wrote about "knowing the law," or something to that effect.

Have you graduated from law school?

Did you pass a state bar examine?

If not, your knowledge is no more than anybody else on this thread.

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49 minutes ago, chare said:

Jesse Smollett.

Jussie. Not Jessie.

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9 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

What is wrong is volume and intensity of reporting and commentary that without any basis pointed torward Trump acting criminally while he worked with Russians.  Its sad that some on the left can’t see how damaging that is to our country.

“We in this business, in our business, Sandra, need to look back and say ‘how in the world did several major news organizations, networks, newspapers and so on, devote so much time to what turned out to be utterly baseless speculation’ about the most serious crime you could imagine, mounting in some cases in the accusations we heard to treason.”

And for those who were pushing that collusion narrative, Hume suggests a little humility would help, although as of Monday afternoon, he isn’t seeing much.

“I’m seeing a handful of honest, liberal journalists who have no use for Trump agreeing that this was bad reporting all the way and some of them have been doing it for some time," Hume said.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/medias-trump-russia-collusion-coverage-is-the-worst-journalistic-debacle-of-my-lifetime-brit-hume-says

It is sad that many on the right can't see how damaging and dividing Trump is.

His constant insults and mocking, including insulting a dead man, are truly damaging to this country.

His support for White Nationalists is truly damaging to this country.

His name calling of NFL players, protesting racial injustice, is truly damaging to this country.

His insistance on giving tax breaks to the rich, to only drive up the national debt, is damaging to this country.

His insistence on weakening environmental laws, will hasten the death of us all.

Yes, what an absolute shame, that some on the right, can't see the damage being done.

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