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27 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm very frustrated that a group of people that spent countless hours demanding justice for Benghazi, her emails, Uranium...etc.  balk at the same treatment for Trump.  I have zero respect for the victim and witch hunt stance from them.  They are owed no apology. 

Did you expect anything different?  I sure didn't.  

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l wonder when conservatives will issue an apology to Jussie Smollett?

All charges against him, for allegedly staging his own hate crime have been dropped.

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Here is  the order for the Special Council:

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APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408/Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.pdf 

Really? ALL a lie?

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It Was All a Lie

Robert Mueller has come up empty handed, exposing two years of relentless Russiagate propaganda and the media that sold it.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/it-was-all-a-lie/ 

Indictments, arrests, and guilty pleas in Mueller investigation of Russian meddling in 2016 U.S. election

Oct. 30, 2017 - Veteran Republican political operative and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who worked for the campaign for five pivotal months in 2016, is indicted on charges of conspiracy against the United States and money laundering as is his business partner Rick Gates, who also worked for Trump's campaign.

Dec. 1, 2017 - Michael Flynn, Trump's national security adviser for less than a month who also had a prominent campaign role, pleads guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI about his discussions in 2016 with the Russian ambassador to Washington.

Feb. 16, 2018 - Federal grand jury indicts 13 Russians and three firms, including a Russian government propaganda arm called the Internet Research Agency, accusing them of tampering to support Trump and disparage Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. The accused "had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election" according to the court document filed by Mueller.

Feb. 16, 2018 -An American, Richard Pinedo, pleads guilty to identity fraud for selling bank account numbers after being accused by prosecutors of helping Russians launder money, buy Facebook ads and pay for campaign rally supplies. Pinedo was not associated with the Trump campaign.

Feb. 22, 2019 - Manafort and Gates are charged with financial crimes, including bank fraud, in Virginia.

Feb. 23, 2018 - Gates pleads guilty to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators. He agrees to cooperate and testify against Manafort at trial.

April 3, 2018 - Alex van der Zwaan, the Dutch son-in-law of one of Russia's richest men, is sentenced to 30 days in prison and fined $20,000 for lying to Mueller's investigators, becoming the first person sentenced in the probe.

June 8, 2018 - Mueller charges a Russian-Ukrainian man, Konstantin Kilimnik, a Manafort business partner whom prosecutors say had ties to Russian intelligence, with witness tampering.

July 13, 2018 - Federal grand jury indicts 12 Russian military intelligence officers on charges of hacking Democratic Party computer networks in 2016 and staged releases of documents. Russia, which denies interfering in the election, says there is no evidence that the 12 are linked to spying or hacking.

Aug. 21, 2018 - A trial jury in Virginia finds Manafort guilty of five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud and one count of failure to disclose a foreign bank account.

Aug. 21, 2018 - Cohen, in a case brought by U.S. prosecutors in New York, pleads guilty to tax fraud and campaign finance law violations. Cohen is subsequently interviewed by Mueller's team.

Aug. 31, 2018 - Samuel Patten, an American business partner of Kilimnik, pleads guilty to unregistered lobbying for pro-Kremlin political party in Ukraine.

Sept. 14, 2018 - Manafort pleads guilty to two conspiracy counts and signs a cooperation agreement with Mueller's prosecutors.

Nov. 29, 2018 - Cohen pleads guilty in the Mueller investigation to lying to Congress about the length of discussions in 2016 on plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. "I made these misstatements to be consistent with individual 1's political messaging and out of loyalty to individual 1," says Cohen, who previously identified "individual 1" as Trump.

 Dec. 12, 2018 - Cohen sentenced to three years in prison for crimes including orchestrating hush payments to women in violation of campaign laws before the election; American Media Inc, publisher of National Enquirer tabloid, strikes deal to avoid charges over its role in one of two hush payments. Publisher admits payment was aimed at influencing the 2016 election, contradicting Trump's statements.

Jan. 25, 2019 - Longtime Trump associate and self-proclaimed political "dirty trickster" Roger Stone charged and arrested at his home in Florida. Stone is accused of lying to Congress about statements suggesting he may have had advance knowledge of plans by Wikileaks to release Democratic Party campaign emails that U.S. officials say were stolen by Russia.

March 7 - Manafort is sentenced in the Virginia case to almost four years in prison. The judge also ordered Manafort to pay a fine of $50,000 and restitution of just over $24 million.

March 13 - Manafort is sentenced to about 3-1/2 more years in prison in the Washington case, bringing his total prison sentence in the two special counsel cases to 7-1/2 years.

https://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKCN1R32QQ 

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RUSSIAN TROLL FARM MEDDLED IN U.S. ELECTION, SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER ALLEGES IN INDICTMENT

...   The perpetrators created “false U.S. personas...social media pages and groups designed to attract U.S. audiences” in order to “sow discord in the U.S. political system,” the court papers claim. Also, the fraud was allegedly designed to help two candidates in particular—Bernie Sanders and Trump—while seeking to hurt Clinton, the leading Democratic candidate, and Republicans Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio...

https://www.newsweek.com/special-counsel-indictment-russians-internet-research-agency-809690

 

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23 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You are mistaken.  The entire Mueller investigation was NOT about collusion. That is Trump's spin. It was about how Russia interfered in our election and who aided them either wittingly or unwittingly. You are also mistaking reporting on facts as propaganda, somehow believing that every news agency which reports in ways that are unflattering to Trump as FAKE NEWS and propaganda. I would challenge you to make a credible argument for that in another post. 

 It remains interesting that multiple members of Trump's campaign had meetings, conversations or contact with Russians which they lied about at every turn. Every person lied multiple times.  Trump himself lied about having a potential business deal in Moscow, multiple times. Trump's campaign manager shared polling data with Russians for some reason. It looks pretty suspicious. So none of them are prosecuted for conspiracy, there are still many unanswered questions. 

Most posters here do not mock or ridicule anyone while simultaneously not tolerating posting of incorrect or spun information. As well, it is not mocking to question why people would be interested enough to participate in an online discussion but would prefer to ignore factual reporting or evidence, presumably to maintain a belief. I'm certain that you have experienced this and it has made you uncomfortable. It is never comfortable to be confronted with contradictions to our beliefs. More than one of us have admitted error in these threads.

As it to this thread, it might be prudent to seek a less pompous and condescending tone when you don't know what the Mueller report contains beyond Barr's summary. Trump is nit exonerated. It really is not necessary to be habitually combative and aggressive with other posters because you disagree.

The reporting on Mueller’s investigation was all pointing to one thing.  Collusion.  You asserted on several occasions how the evidence for collusion was out there and obvious for everyone to see.  You mocked Trump supporters for disagreeing.  Describing them as being easily influenced by propaganda and exhibiting cult-like behavior.

It’s been shown the the factual reportring you relied upon was not so factual.  It’s not the Trump supporters who have been the victims of media propaganda.  

I’m sure it must be uncomfortable for you when the facts go against what you want so hard to believe to be the truth.

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11 hours ago, Tweety said:

I'm very frustrated that a group of people that spent countless hours demanding justice for Benghazi, her emails, Uranium...etc.  balk at the same treatment for Trump.  I have zero respect for the victim and witch hunt stance from them.  They are owed no apology. 

There is actual evidence that Clinton has committed crimes.

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15 hours ago, Tweety said:

Just like the site you post above whose today's top 17 stories are anti-media, anti-democrat, anti-liberal stories doesn't spend their time from a neutral stance.  

Even CNN, WaPo, and NYT and other sources people tend to use here aren't that bad.   

But that's not even the point, the point is that the story was indeed news and the story wasn't made up by the media.   Like it or not, it was a news story.  

I've said many times before that I agree that news organizations get on a story and hype it up.  

What is wrong is volume and intensity of reporting and commentary that without any basis pointed torward Trump acting criminally while he worked with Russians.  Its sad that some on the left can’t see how damaging that is to our country.

“We in this business, in our business, Sandra, need to look back and say ‘how in the world did several major news organizations, networks, newspapers and so on, devote so much time to what turned out to be utterly baseless speculation’ about the most serious crime you could imagine, mounting in some cases in the accusations we heard to treason.”

And for those who were pushing that collusion narrative, Hume suggests a little humility would help, although as of Monday afternoon, he isn’t seeing much.

“I’m seeing a handful of honest, liberal journalists who have no use for Trump agreeing that this was bad reporting all the way and some of them have been doing it for some time," Hume said.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/medias-trump-russia-collusion-coverage-is-the-worst-journalistic-debacle-of-my-lifetime-brit-hume-says

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On 2/28/2019 at 7:06 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

Unlike Trump supporters, I do not need someone to tell me there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.  The evidence of collusion is right there to see. It is the questions of conspiracy and treason that have yet to be answered. 

Mueller found no evidence of collusion, conspiracy, or treason.  So, what “factual reporting” were you basing your opinion on?

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On 2/12/2019 at 8:12 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

We can see for our selves that members of Trump's campaign staff and family were colluding with Russians during the campaign. How can you not see that Trump's "no collusion" defense is crumbling? 

I could go on, but I think everyone gets the point.

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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

Mueller found no evidence of collusion, conspiracy, or treason.  So, what “factual reporting” were you basing your opinion on?

Oh, did you get your own copy of the Mueller report before Congress or the American people? 

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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

The reporting on Mueller’s investigation was all pointing to one thing.  Collusion.  You asserted on several occasions how the evidence for collusion was out there and obvious for everyone to see.  You mocked Trump supporters for disagreeing.  Describing them as being easily influenced by propaganda and exhibiting cult-like behavior.

It’s been shown the the factual reportring you relied upon was not so factual.  It’s not the Trump supporters who have been the victims of media propaganda.  

I’m sure it must be uncomfortable for you when the facts go against what you want so hard to believe to be the truth.

There is evidence of collusion. It is obvious. Just read the emails about the meeting in Trump Tower. Not prosecuting is not the same as no evidence. I have called out regurgitation of right wing propaganda add cult like AND have supported that with expert opinion. 

Nothing of the sort had been proven about the reporting on these serious matters. As you are aware, we don't know precisely what the Mueller report says about any of this outside of knowing that it does NOT exonerate Trump. I challenge you to provide this forum with one fact that you have learned from the Mueller report which goes against what I want so hard to be the truth.

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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Mueller found no evidence of collusion, conspiracy, or treason.  So, what “factual reporting” were you basing your opinion on?

Show us in the Mueller report where it says that. 

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