The Medical Aspect of Execution - page 6

What do you all think of all the medical snafus in State sanctioned Capital Punishment? Who are the people in charge of this and why can't they get their act together? Is it that hard to humanely... Read More

  1. by   herring_RN
    Being pro life I will do what I can to prevent a killing.
    I have served on many juries, but never was considered for a possible death penalty case.
    For those proven to guilty of murder I don't feel sad if they are killed in prison or put to death, but will not be part of any killing except in defense of my life or that of another person.
    I have helped two pregnant women decide not to have an abortion.
    The Innocence Project has proven 13 people on death row innocent:
    The Cases & Exoneree Profiles - Innocence Project
    Many people who are not opposed to the death penalty change their mind either because innocent people have been executed or because the person executed is not the same as the young killer who was convicted.
    Following is the prepared text of Illinois Gov. George Ryan's speech at Northwestern
    University College of Law before granting clemency to all inmates on the state's death row
    In Ryan's Words: "I Must Act" | Death Penalty Information Center
    Retired Madison County judge who sentenced convenience store killer to death changes his mind:
    Retired Madison County judge who sentenced convenience store killer to death changes his mind |
    1998 Year End Report: New Voices Raise Dissent, Executions Decline | Death Penalty Information Center

    25 Wrongly-Convicted Felons Exonerated By New Forensic Evidence
    25 Wrongly-Convicted Felons Exonerated By New Forensic Evidence >>
    Innocence Cases | Death Penalty Information Center

    Yes, America, We Have Executed an Innocent Man - The Atlantic

    1 Convicts Presumed Innocent After Execution - Listverse

    8 People Who Were Executed and Later Found Innocent - AvvoStories

    “Innocent People Have Been Sentenced to Death in Oklahoma,” Commission Concludes
  2. by   Penelope_Pitstop
    Forgive me if someone has mentioned this already (I'm a bit late to the party on this topic), but Atul Gawande, who is not only a renowned surgeon but a very engaging writer, includes a chapter about physicians who have personally assisted in executions in his book Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance. I recommend all of his books for several reasons, but he presents everything rather objectively. Worth a read.
  3. by   Extra Pickles
    Quote from Avid reader
    Here's another interesting FACT. Almost every judgemental person has much repressed anger and frustration which is why you will notice the quick fuse, car rage, abrubt interactions, quick speech patterns, absence of fact based research responses, lack of empathy or sympathy, minimal efforts re reading and frequently trivial subject matters, selective friends with similar personality, gossiping and generally always seething.

    If only four apply, then anger issues with pathology implied.
    Wow, if I had to be concerned with someone with anger issues with pathology implied, I have to look no further than this post.

    Since you obviously directed this at me and it in no way applies to me I am going to assume you were having a really bad day and didn't think it completely through before you wrote it. I am not the angry one, but I am stunned at your vitriole, even accuasions, sent my way. You might want to check that.
  4. by   Extra Pickles
    Quote from heron
    Don't have to - have worked corrections in two states.
    And I appreciate that you therefore have your perspective of things because of it. My perspective, from the outside, is that healthcare availability IS great when I see so many who are in the free world, have committed no crimes but can't get medications that they need. My perspective is that educational opportunities for those who are in prison frequently exceed those opportunities for those who just manage to live day to day without committing crimes.

    It is what it is, whether we are looking at it from the outside or inside. Personally I commend you for being able to do that kind of nursing, I think I would struggle with it. I honestly think I'd be afraid, but then I don't know how it works "inside".
  5. by   Extra Pickles
    Quote from hherrn
    This is all really straying from the OP, which was about medical professionals participating in execution. But.......

    prison inmates can receive a very nice education. Starting with high school and getting GED right through college degrees. We are all paying for that when it is in a federal prison and state taxes for local ones.

    I am going to step out on a limb here, and take a guess that you would identify yourself as a fiscal conservative. So- looking at this strictly from a financial view point, do you think that educating prisoners is a poor investment?
    Excellent question. I looked into it after you asked and I found that the rate of return for inmates who receive an education while in prison does definitely drop. In keeping with the idea that fewer people in prison (or returning to prison) is a good thing I'd have to support the educational programs that perform. Ones that have graduates who don't return to prison. And therefore I would need to amend my criticism of taxpayer-supported care accordingly

    You are correct in that, properly addressed, education while in prison IS a good investment, and I thank you for pointing that out. I do wish that the monies could somehow be spent on education BEFORE someone commits crimes worthy of imprisonment, BEFORE young people hit the ranks of criminals but that is a topic for a completely different thread! As far as healthcare goes, while I recognize we have to take medical care of those incarcerated it does bother me that I see so many who can't be called criminals yet can't afford necessary medications, or even general care. It bothers me that cable tv and movie nights and internet access (for entertainment, not education) is available to those who we must support 100%. But that's a different thread topic, too.

    Regarding THIS topic, medical issues related to carrying out execution orders, I've weight in on that already.
  6. by   1056chris
    I heard it was something to do with the age of the drugs. I think it may be poor IV access by maybe less than competent staff, but I don't know. Maybe it is the pump they use. I don't believe in capital punishment anyway. Even if you kill someone humanely who is healthy and doesn't want to die, it is still murder. Murder authorized by our criminal justice system.