Terrorism abroad, Paris, Pakistan, Turkey, Brussels. The universal problem of extremists.
As we all know terrorism is a growing problem in todays world. What with the recent attacks in Belgium, and France. What we hear little about is that the Islamic world has been struggling with these extremists for decades now. I know multiple upstanding muslims, and middle easterners. I think they would just as soon have never left their homes, but the violence, and extremism is what forced them to leave.Power vacuums lead to extremists, economic downturn, etc. It is in these climates when education, and peaceful rational discourse suffer. The west has contributed to the problem with the regime change policies of the past. While people like Sadaam where brutal dictators who deserved to die, I wonder if we did not exacerbate the problem with our policies here in the west.
This is by no means an apology for being a westerner. Rather an acknowledgement that we have contributed to the problems, and therefore must contribute to its solution. The people of the middle east suffer daily because of these extremists, from terrorist attacks in Pakistan, to beheadings in Syria.
I think that it is long past time we find a way to eliminate extremism, and restore order to the countries that have served as breeding grounds for these terrorist attacks, which both the western world has suffered from, and has been plaguing the middle east for deccades.
The root of the problem is not all a western construct. Any time we see powerful empires collapse we see this type of violence, as authority crumbles, and extremists vie for power. I think from a historical context the collapse of the Ottoman Empire could be traced as the beginning of the radicalization of some mid east nations. To which the western world is somewhat, but not wholly responsible.
One of the biggest problems in the middle east is the lack of any real Islamic power since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. It is my hope that one of these nations can step to the plate, and restore order in the region, by being a friendly Muslim face instead of a perceived "western oppressor." I think if we could find a Muslim nation willing to, and capable of this type of diplomatic, and selective military action with whom we could collaborate we would be taking out first step in solving the problem of the destabilization of the mid east, which I believe goes back to the collapse of the Ottomon Empire, and the subsequent take over by western nations.
I just don't see any muslim nations at this moment to whom could be trusted with this burden, and therefore it has fallen to the west, and we have not done the best of jobs. In no small part because of our own problems, and interests. Now the violence is spilling over into the west.
The solution I think is a strong mid east power willing to work with the west for a peaceful solution. Which we can restore order, and prosperity to the middle east. Instead of cultivating an us vs them mentality that seems to be pervasive in the western world, and middle east.
What do you all think?Last edit by Joe V on Apr 25, '16
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Towel related; from USMar 23, '16Honestly, I think the US as a nation needs to review its role as world police. We have a presence in so many other places while our own country is in disarray. Perhaps it's time to step down and let people clean up their own messes while we take care of our own. How can we continue to help everyone else when we obviously can't help ourselves? The so-called war on terror is one that can never be won. We might eliminate one group, but at least one (and often several) more will pop up and take its place.Mar 25, '16Inside the FBI’s Secret Muslim Network
While candidates stoke fears of Islam, a little-known counterterror program has been going exactly the other way.
Dearborn, Michigan, may be the closest thing America has to a Mollenbeek, the seething, Islamicized neighborhood of Brussels believed to have harbored the terrorists involved in both the metro and airport attacks this week and last fall’s slaughter in Paris.
An ordinary Detroit suburb sometimes called the “Arab Capital of North America,”
Dearborn has the nation’s largest mosque; it’s home to the Arab Museum, Middle Eastern cafes, and halal beef burgers at McDonald’s...
... Dearborn and Mollenbeek, in fact, could not be more different, which says a lot about the very different ways that the United States and countries like Belgium and France have approached the problem of radicalization.
In a city where nearly a third of the approximately 95,000 residents are Arab-American or of Arab descent, Haddad’s department has a deep network of contacts in the community and makes regular visits to Dearborn’s 38 schools and its many mosques. He sponsors a program called “Stepping Up,” which includes an annual awards ceremony (the next is April 12) for residents reporting crime.
At least twice in the past several years, fearing influence from ISIL or online propaganda on their children, Haddad says, Muslim fathers have turned in their own sons. In another case, it was students at a largely Muslim high school calling about a troubled peer.
That’s partly because they have a place to call, and because they’re connected to the larger Dearborn, Michigan, and American community, says Haddad. The outreach-and-informant program he runs is considered a model by U.S. law enforcement and counterterrorism authorities. And it’s just one piece of a little-known but widespread effort nationwide to build networks within Muslim communities...
... U.S. Muslim communities already are highly wired by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence.
And contrary to being “radicalized,” they have proven astonishingly cooperative on the whole. Numerous sources in U.S. law enforcement and national security interviewed for this story drew a picture of a largely sub-rosa but widespread effort in American counterterrorism: The deep embedding of federal counter-terrorism and intelligence-gathering efforts in Muslim communities like Dearborn (“The FBI has been great,” says Haddad), using an approach less driven by “patrolling” and surveillance than by using sophisticated if sometimes intrusive outreach and informant programs.
The result, U.S. officials say, is that Muslim neighborhoods here are cooperating against Islamist terrorists to a degree that can’t be found among their counterparts in Europe...
Mar 27, '16I'm glad that the FBI has developed assets and relationships within the US Muslim community. I know they have also infiltrated some if not all of the white supremacy and anti government groups. It makes sense to use resources where there could be a return on investment.Mar 27, '16Once again the Taliban raises its ugly head. BREAKING: At least 65 dead, hundreds injured in Easter suicide blast at park... - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.comAug 18, '16I spent half the summer traveling...Germany, Qatar, India, UK... The most tense, uncomfortable places were in Europe. There was so much fear that the security forces instilled panic ...I was all but cavity searched in Germany. The middle east, on the other hand, was chill. Of course, it's highly dependent on the areas I was in (eastern border of Saudi) but hundreds of flights go in and out without incident, so I think the fear mongering has become a tool for people who have an agenda. Bad stuff happens everyday, here too, shootings, sexual assaults, but if that's all we heard about we'd be afraid to walk out the fronyt door. Its the same with the ratio of good to bad in most places...good news doesn't make headlines, but it's there.Jun 1, '17Quote from Rose_QueenThe US doesn't police the world in so much as protect America. American presence abroad are for multiple reasons. Strategic being the most important. Americans portray themselves as exceptional therefore when instability occurs refugees and immigrants flood in because of conditioning through television shows, movies etc showing America as being a haven. 1st and 2nd world wars produce many industrialists who needed to sell their products on the world market. American promotion of exceptionalism is another way to sell those products. Military presence increases the advertising of American products through imagery and psychology. It always comes down to money. Acquiring oil leases, mineral leases and power plays is easier achieved through ongoing presence.Honestly, I think the US as a nation needs to review its role as world police. We have a presence in so many other places while our own country is in disarray. Perhaps it's time to step down and let people clean up their own messes while we take care of our own. How can we continue to help everyone else when we obviously can't help ourselves? The so-called war on terror is one that can never be won. We might eliminate one group, but at least one (and often several) more will pop up and take its place.
There's also the element of colonialism. Older nations have got it out of their systems and achieve self esteem in more productive ways. Younger nations like America, China and Russia are still at it. It's never been about policing as much as security of unstable regions to prevent radical elements from hurting American interests.
Trump knowing little history and àssembling equally ignorant advisors whose sole goals are financial, understand little of geopolitical situations and are endangering everyone's lives. The weapons manufacturers welcome this because chaos is good for business.
In every other industrialized country most of the politicians are reasonably well educated and understand Geo politics except here where idiocy is rampant because fortunately we are isolated by two oceans and two countries making it difficult to be invaded. This humongous ignorance of our leaders led to 9-11 and the populace who apparently lack the ability to even remember what happened three weeks ago will continue to elect morons who will continue to endanger us.Jun 2, '17Truthfully? I don't know that terrorism is a 'growing' problem. It's just that we hear about it more often.
I mean, the years surrounding America's revolution were full of bombs and massacres. The Tamil Tigers were doing the suicide bomber thing well before Middle Eastern terrorists thought of it.
People have been killing each other over bits and bobs of land since time immemorial.
I do agree that the USA needs to stand down as the world's policeman. We need to stop propping up dictatorships and apartheid states (ahem, Israel) and support freedom and dignity for everyone. Not just governments we like, and not just to serve our own interests. We don't need hundreds of military installations all over the world.
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