More domestic terror/snipers - page 9

The US has never suffered with snipers the way we are hearing with the VA situation. The terror of a sniper on the lose is terrible. Some years ago I heard of someone sniping cars/trucks on the... Read More

  1. by   kmchugh
    Originally posted by fergus51
    Does anyone really want to ban gun ownership outright? It seems like the only real disagreement is on the level of gun control.
    Fergus

    Though most of the debate here centers around where to draw the line, there are US citizens who want to ban all gun ownership. Personally, I disagree with them. Also, I think it's pollyanna at best to believe that an outright ban would ever pass. Even if it did, guns are so prevalent in our society, it would take four or more generations to actually begin to remove them.

    Just my opinion.

    Kevin McHugh
  2. by   fergus51
    Totally agree with you there Kevin. It's why I don't understand the hysterical way people get when you mention gun control. The gov't is never going to ban all guns from private citizens becase it would be impossible.
  3. by   mario_ragucci
    Originally posted by Glad2behere
    Mario,

    I guess I am confused. I have heard of the UT tower guy referred to as a sniper on many occasions. That's what he was called when the incident occurred as I remember the news reports and the newspaper articles. Somebody climbs a tower and shoots folks in an indiscriminant manner from an advantageous position....they're a sniper. And he was able to conceal his position somewhat from what I recall, or at the very least accessibility to his position.
    A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
    One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

    Maybe a "crazed marksman" Because that guy had no intention of getting away, I woundn't call him a sniper. He knew once he started shooting that heed be brought down/killed. No worries; just a difference of opinion of word usage :-)
  4. by   donmurray
    Gary, as I said before, Why do so many seem so distrustful of their own government? The land of the free, with so much democracy you want to export it worldwide, yet a lot of people seem frankly paranoid about those whom they elect to office.
    I'm not being offensive in saying that, it just appears such an unlikely scenario, that you would ever need to arm yourself against your elected representatives that it negates itself.
  5. by   fergus51
    don, I would imagine the fact that the US did at one time have to fight their gov't for their freedom has left a lasting legacy. You have to understand that we are raised from an early age hearing about soldiers fighting the British gov't for our freedom and why we need the right to bear arms forever. You probably also need to understand that changing ANYTHING in our cherished constitution will provoke a kneejerk "NO WAY" from most people. I agree it is pretty unlikely that American citizens could successfully revolt against our army even if the gov't did become some tyranny, but you have to understand that it's a part of our national consciousness regardless.

    Canadians on the other hand politely asked Britain for permission to be a country after your army whooped us at our tiny attempted war of independance. Coincidentally we are not nearly as preoccupied with the idea of protecting ourselves from a gov't that has gone amuck with guns.
  6. by   cmggriff
    don, A distortion of the debate. I know it sounds like I have no confidence in my elected officials. The truth is I vote every chance I get. I don't vote a straight party line. I vote for people whom I believe will do the job to the best of their ability. But I don't feel they are responsible for my happiness, or the last line of defence against people who might wish to harm me or my family.
    Blind faith in government and laxity on the part of the governed has always led to problems. In the Athens of Pericles, the Athenians made Pericles tyrant. This period is often pointed out as the "high point" in Greek culture. Pericles used state funds to promote and finance sculptures, plays and other "enlightening" entertainments for the people. A very high point indeed for Athenian and Greek artists. But this led directly to the massacre and enslavement of an entire island population at the hands of the Athenians. And it ultimately resulted in the fall of Athens.
    Open public debate is one way of guarding against a repeat of history. And I believe that the complacency of most people is anathema to good government. I know way too many who rely on the mass media to tell them what to think and what to believe. Gary

    BTW, if you really want to see me get rabid you ahould ask how I stand on our 1st amendment.
  7. by   Q.
    Originally posted by cmggriff
    BTW, if you really want to see me get rabid you ahould ask how I stand on our 1st amendment.
    So how do you stand on our 1st amendment?

  8. by   cmggriff
    I think you already know, troublemaker But just to humor you I think parental rating schemes on movies, videos and music are a violation of the letter and spirit of the first amendment. Gary
  9. by   mario_ragucci
    Lol, the JP's (Japanese Police) had these telescopic orange nightsticks that went from being the size of a flashlight to that of a martial arts stick in a heartbeat. I watched many a marine get poked and jostled with them during many a drunken liberty call.

    I get the creeps when the armed gaurd walks on campus to collect money. They wear their pistol out in plainsight and it just seems so strange to see that, Wild wild west
  10. by   Q.
    Originally posted by mario_ragucci
    I get the creeps when the armed gaurd walks on campus to collect money. They wear their pistol out in plainsight and it just seems so strange to see that, Wild wild west
    Cool! So you're in favor of concealed weapons permits?


    By the way Gary, I love ya to death. :kiss
  11. by   cmggriff
    :imbar I love you too, Susy. And I agree with Mario, concealed carry always makes me feel safer too. Gary
    Last edit by cmggriff on Nov 10, '02
  12. by   donmurray
    Germany 381
    France 255
    Canada 165
    UK 68
    Australia 65
    Japan 39
    USA 11,127

    Respective annual firearm homicide rates.
    See "Bowling for Columbine"
  13. by   sjoe
    In other words, we in the US are simply better shots. Guess these other countries need more marksmanship training.

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