Former Senior CIA Official's Thoughts on 911

  1. You should know that this man, Bill Christison was, prior to his retirement, a Senior Officer of the CIA, a National Intelligence Officer, and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis.

    I don't think he is running for any political offices.

    This is not going to go away:

    http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm
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  3. by   spydercadet
    Wow??? Do you really believe this? Really?
  4. by   indigo girl
    Last edit by indigo girl on Aug 15, '06
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    9/11 Timeline using publicly available information.
    The site doesn't fit on my screen. It is too difficult to navigate.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/index.jsp

    The timeline was used in the making of this film http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
  6. by   indigo girl
    Quote from spydercadet
    Wow??? Do you really believe this? Really?

    Instead of having a reaction, why not go for it, here is his contact info according to his article. Both he and his wife sound very interesting and informed.

    kathy.bill@christison-santafe.com.
  7. by   pickledpepperRN
    Thank you Indigo girl. I think it is important to hear or read many opinions.
    I am certain there is much I don't know.
  8. by   Logan
    hi,

    i'm all for voices and opinions.

    i don't believe in silencing the most "bizzare" of the theorists. in fact, i am against "hate speech" laws and i encourage the public debate with holocaust deniers - so that their ridiculous theories can be shows for the frauds that they are.

    in similar vein, i think these 9/11 conspiracists should be debated and their theories exposed to public light, with evidence disproving them. the republic of india has a motto borrowed from an ancient hindu text. it says "satyameva jayate" --- translates to "truth alone triumphs".

    that said, i think these 9/11 'conspiracy theories' are bunkum.

    here's something i can put forth as "counter argument" , just right off the top of my head:

    9/11 conspiracits claim that the us government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent americans. if the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill the conspiracy theorists as well? what's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

    i'm no friend of the government. infact, i'm not very fond of any government.

    but bunkum conspiracy theories must stop.

    here are a couple of good websites :

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
    http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/loosechangeguide.html

    thanks,
    matthew
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    Some just think we are not being told the truth.
  10. by   indigo girl
    Quote from logan
    hi,

    i'm all for voices and opinions.

    i don't believe in silencing the most "bizzare" of the theorists. in fact, i am against "hate speech" laws and i encourage the public debate with holocaust deniers - so that their ridiculous theories can be shows for the frauds that they are.

    in similar vein, i think these 9/11 conspiracists should be debated and their theories exposed to public light, with evidence disproving them. the republic of india has a motto borrowed from an ancient hindu text. it says "satyameva jayate" --- translates to "truth alone triumphs".

    that said, i think these 9/11 'conspiracy theories' are bunkum.

    here's something i can put forth as "counter argument" , just right off the top of my head:

    9/11 conspiracits claim that the us government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent americans. if the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill the conspiracy theorists as well? what's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

    i'm no friend of the government. infact, i'm not very fond of any government.

    but bunkum conspiracy theories must stop.

    here are a couple of good websites :

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
    http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/loosechangeguide.html

    thanks,
    matthew
    matthew, with regard to the many different questions that are being asked, and some of which are addressed in the links you have provided, i am more than willing to back down if what they are saying, is addressed in a credible way. it's not a problem for me, that body parts and a passport, are said to be found. for myself, i never doubted that those planes hit those buildings. not everyone who questions what occurred that day, questions all the same particulars. i might with some things, but not others.

    i have started looking at what you have provided, and i will say, that i can agree with some of their explanations for the physical evidence. for example, the use of cell phones was never an issue for me. i might still be unconvinced about wtc 7, maybe. i will look at other links also that address physical evidence in an attempt to explain how the buildings came down. i really do want to know if the official story is correct in that regard. if i can believe what they are saying, i'll admit it. lord knows, i've been wrong before, and i'll be wrong again.

    there are different theories with regard to who was responsible, and of course, why. that is the central issue. even if it all happened as has been explained, and the guys who did the deeds genuinely believed in whatever their cause was, it does not have to mean that they were not used to advance an agenda other than what we have been told. and, on the other hand, it also does not mean that all governmental persons, etc are in some way connected to these events. your question, however jokingly made or not, about why the conspiracy buffs are not also on "the hit list," is because they don't need to be. they have been neutralized by ridicule. even if some of what they are saying is true, because some of it seems "over the top", all is discredited. the same argument could be given to the official story. theorists may dismiss all of that story because parts of it do not seem believable. i think we would all be best served by being willing to look more closely at this. and, even then, we may not be able to agree, but at least we went there. thank you for your consideration.

    indigo
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    Logan:
    I love your avitar!
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    Largest US Church says Bush behind 9/11
    August 16, 2006

    http://christianity.rinf.com/?p=260

    DOBBS: Tonight, we're one month away from the fifth anniversary of September 11th. A shocking new book by the 9/11 Commission co- chairmen, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, says Americans still don't know the whole truth about their government's initial response to those terrorist attacks that day.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...09/ldt.01.html


    Lou Dobbs woken up to 9/11 lies?
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1171036AAOWipI
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Aug 16, '06
  12. by   ZASHAGALKA
    The biggest discredit to the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 is that an overt enemy of the U.S. takes credit for the attack.

    As such, believers in a conspiracy theory suffer from 'true believer syndrome':

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_believer_syndrome

    Start with the overt opening line of the OP link: that Pres. Bush and Prime Minister Olmert are the world's biggest liars and terrorists. I guess it's fruitless of me to speculate how a foreign leader elevated to power due to a stroke from the elected PM 6 months ago has anything to do w/ an event that happened 5 yrs ago?

    But, it does point out the bias of the writer, doesn't it? It isn't unreasonable for me at all to speculate that the writer's opening 'over the top' vicious hyperbole is a mere brushstroke of the article in toto.

    I guess hezbollah's opening salvo: attacking and capturing military elements of Israel IN Israel is just an inconvenient truth to that hyperbole.

    From John McCain in the Popular Science article linked above by Logan:

    Blaming some conspiracy within our government for the horrific attacks of September 11 mars the memories of all those lost on that day. There were errors and missteps in our government's response, to be sure, but the performance of our public servants was on the whole heroic, not destructive. For their service--for their lives--we are indebted, and we are obliged to pay our debts to those who sacrificed. To blame not a gang of terrorists but some conspiracy for September 11 insults the police officers and firefighters who raced into the burning towers; the men and women who left for dangerous, distant lands to fight our enemies; and those who have fought in all the wars of our history.

    Any explanation for the tragedy of September 11 must start and end with the facts. The evidence, the data, the facts must be gathered, compiled, analyzed, and then--only then--can conclusions be drawn as to what happened. That is precisely what the various investigators have done, and in so doing they have performed a great service to our nation. And yet still the conspiracy theorists peddle their wares.

    They ignore the methods of science, the protocols of investigation, and the dictates of logic. The conspiracy theorists chase any bit of information, no matter how flimsy, and use it to fit their preordained conclusions. They ascribe to the government, or to some secretive group, powers wholly out of proportion to what the evidence suggests. And they ignore the facts that are present in plain sight.

    We cannot let these tales go unanswered. The 9/11 conspiracy movement exploits the public's anger and sadness. It shakes Americans' faith in their government at a time when that faith is already near an all-time low. It traffics in ugly, unfounded accusations of extraordinary evil against fellow Americans. And, as we have seen recently in the Iranian president's bizarre letter to President Bush, it has even entered the currency of international affairs.

    The conspiracy theories are a distraction from the proper lessons of 9/11, from what is truly important to this country. And so it is imperative to confront them with the facts. The authors of this book, through their extensive reporting, disprove these tales of conspiracy. They show that, without exception, the stories are based on misconceptions, distortions, and outright lies. The CIA was not involved in 9/11. Our military did not bring about the destruction of the World Trade Center. Bombs or missiles did not fell the towers. A white jet aircraft did not shoot down Flight 93."


    I understand the nature of conspiracy theories. But, I cannot abide, in good conscience, dancing on the grave of Americans to make a political point. Shame. Shame. Shame.

    These conspiracies theories deserve more than just to be 'belittled'. They deserve the appropriate scorn they merit.

    I guess there's no point in mentioning that the author of the OP link retired from gov't service in 1979. As such, using his credentials is a logical fallacy: appealing to an authority that is NO authority at all on the topic.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Aug 17, '06
  13. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Here's another thought from the OP link's writer:

    http://www.doublestandards.org/christison5.html

    "We should throw out present U.S. policies on appeasement and isolationism, and start a fresh and brand-new discussion of just how much appeasement and isolationism might be desirable policies for the U.S. to espouse. The "a" and the "i" words are almost universally considered bad words by most Americans today. We need to change that – appeasement and isolationism should become good words again."

    Thank you for those sage comments, Neville Chamberlain. . .

    Another quote:

    http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp...stison0410.htm

    "AND, we should start a major "Marshall-Plan aid program in the third world. The amount of such a plan might be $350 billion spread over three years, not the tine $10 billion President Bush proposed recently in Monterrey, Mexico. $350 billion is less than the U.S. military budget proposed for the next ONE fiscal year. . .

    You're right, of course. But the tensions between Palestinians and Israelis are so high now that NOTHING will stand a chance of working unless the U.S. involves itself deeply and takes an even handed approach to both sides--something it has not done for the past many years. I believe the U.S. must press for a solution based on two truly sovereign nations, with strong treaty guarantees from the United States for BOTH of these nations. "


    Are these comments from the Neville that just stated that isolationism would be a GOOD thing for America? Maybe he just meant the appeasement part of his comments, above.

    Maybe the U.S. gov't could hire Press-Gainey to script our international policy: "How can we appease you today? We have the time."

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Aug 17, '06
  14. by   pickledpepperRN
    9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
    Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
    "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."...

    ...For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington....
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080101300.html
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    Running From the Truth
    9-11 Commission dealt with several issues by simply ignoring them
    by James Ridgeway
    December 6th, 2005
    On 9-11 the U.S. government faced a terrible decision: Should the military be ordered to shoot down other commercial airplanes full of civilian passengers, so that they, too, would not be used as missiles? Vice President Dick Cheney, although not part of the National Command Authority, gave the orders, although under the Constitution the vice president has no authority to command the military. The 9-11 Commission dealt with this fundamental issue by ignoring it....
    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/054...y,70692,6.html
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    Unanswered questions - http://911independentcommission.org/questions.html

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