Court Martial in Iraq - page 4

Court Martial in Iraq April 28, 2004 Last month, the U.S. Army announced 17 soldiers in Iraq, including a brigadier general, had been removed from duty after charges of mistreating Iraqi... Read More

  1. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    No, FUs is exactly what you think it is.

    If the General confirms any of this I will have lost some faith in our leadership in the theatre. This has to go to whomever is the main CIA puppet.

    Interrogation is one thing, but this is just counterproductive and an actual real news story for Al-jezzera...who'd a thought that would ever happen.

    If the General confirms all of these acusations I'm with you all on this.
  2. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Peeps Mcarthur
    A part of the article that was omitted

    Do you think these inexperienced enlisted personell came up with this method?

    Nope...good ol' CIA bosses.

    You find out what is going to make the enemy turn over and use it.

    I think the fact that the enlisted showed up in the pictures just speaks for their inexperience. That was pretty stupid. I don't think they had to hit them. If it is true, it again shows their inexperience with psychological principles.

    By Maureno

    This is actualy your interpretation of what a newspaper reporter said the General's report said..........isn't it?

    What are you going to do to get the information offer them a good dental plan?

    There is a great difference between what you call iraqis and civillians. For example, most of the millitants are from neighboring countries or never belonged to the current government. The members of the former government are not Iraqis, they are expatriated.

    Now, you want to somehow weed through all those folks and find the ones that count. None of them will talk, in fact they may just be defiant!

    What do you do? If this is what really happened.

    Call the spooks in............they consult the non coms...............the spooks are spooks after all, so they gotta get scarce................the SSG reports intel that is verified...........the operation becomes so "successful" that the enlisted lose some discilpline when the officers back off and Badda-boom-badda-bing..........Extremists gone wild is the latest hot video.

    This can't be good. The image of the fighting soldier is tarnished by a group of completely untrained FUs that are CIA puppets posing for a camera no less!

    Very good point peeps

    Is this the same ole CIA, daddy Bushie was director of and in his role then also helped put saddam in power

    ps the weather was good today and so was my golfing
  3. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    The CIA and the Bush family go way back don't they?
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    The weather is hot and humid (near the water) so my DH teed off at 6:30 am to beat the heat. He shared a beer before the bottom nine and hit his longest drive for an eagle with his 'new' John Daley driver. I think it was the beer.

    US officer says prison guards tried to cover up abuse of Iraqi prisoners
    Julian Borger in Washington
    Monday May 3, 2004
    The Guardian
    US prison guards and interrogators attempted to cover up the systematic abuse of Iraqi inmates from the international Red Cross according to a US general dismissed after evidence surfaced of torture at a jail near Baghdad.
    The claims add weight to a growing body of evidence that the reports of torture at Abu Ghraib prison reflect a pattern of abuse which goes far beyond the six guards now facing possible court martial.
    The former head of US military prisons in Iraq, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, who was relieved of her command earlier this year, yesterday alleged that military intelligence officers discouraged her from entering the cell block at Abu Ghraib where they interrogated prisoners. They also went "to great lengths to try to exclude" the International Red Cross from their prison wing.
    A US military investigation, carried out by Major General Antonio Taguba, uncovered evidence of war crimes against the inmates, including: breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; sodomising a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.
    The New Yorker magazine, which obtained a complete copy of the report, observed: "General Taguba saved his harshest words for the military intelligence officers and private contractors."
    The Taguba report urged disciplinary action against two employees of a Virginia-based firm, CACI International, hired to carry out interrogations. A company spokeswoman said that its employees had volunteered to be interviewed by investigators but she was unaware of any charges against them.
    It is unclear what, if any, legal jurisdiction such contractors operate under while on assignment in Iraq and observers of the rapidly growing private security industry have warned that they are dangerously unregulated.
    Six guards from the 800 Military Police Brigade stationed at Abu Ghraib face charges and possible court martial for the physical and sexual abuse of prisoners. More senior officers face further disciplinary action and Gen Karpinski was quietly sent home early this year.
    The Taguba report described Gen Karpinski as extremely emotional.
    There was a case of physical abuse of Iraqi inmates at another prison camp under her command last year. In that instance, at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq, four soldiers were discharged but claimed that they had been acting in self-defence and blamed chaotic conditions at the camp. However Gen Karpinski insisted to journalists at the time that Iraqi prisoners were being treated humanely and fairly.
    In an interview with the Washington Post, the general sought to distance herself from the prison scandal.
    "The prison, and that particular cell block where the events took place, were under the control of the MI [military intelligence] command," she said.
    She conceded that she "probably should have been more aggressive" about visiting the cell block, particularly after military intelligence officers went "to great lengths to try to exclude the ICRC (International Committee for the Red Cross) from access to that interrogation wing".
    Major General Geoffrey Miller, a former commanding officer at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp for non-American suspected terrorists, has been reassigned to Iraq in an attempt to overhaul the prison system left behind by Gen Karpinksi.
    He is conducting a review that will embrace interrogation procedures and the role played by private contractors.
    The scandal at Abu Ghraib, coupled with the revelations over the weekend of alleged brutality against Iraqi inmates by British soldiers, has provoked worldwide outrage, and added to already boiling Middle Eastern resentment of the occupation.
    Guardian Unlimited Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
  5. by   teeituptom
    Military Intelligence another Oxymoron
  6. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from fergus51
    We are slowly becoming the people we hate. I actually naively thought we wouldn't.

    I agree, Fergus.
  7. by   wjf00
    I guess this is "winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqui people". George Bush:War Criminal
  8. by   maureeno
    >>General Taguba saved his harshest words for the military-intelligence officers and private contractors<<

    >>The people in these facilities -- they are prisons -- are civilians. And according to the Taguba report, more than 60 percent of them had nothing to do with the insurgency or any trouble against Americans. They were just people picked up in sweeps.<<

    no I have not read General Taguba's report
    it is unreleased
    but I do believe the credibile reporting of Mr. Hersh
    who has read the report

    who really need to read the two month old report
    are General Myers and Secretary Rumsfeld
    war crimes are serious
    especially when we said we came to liberate
  9. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Peeps Mcarthur
    The CIA and the Bush family go way back don't they?

    yes they do

    we know who to blame

    daddy bushie
  10. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Looks like Sen. Kerry has this election wrapped up.

    He can't just show nekked homo pictures for the next 6 months though. I suppose he'll have to promise to clean up the CIA ops or something.

    I'm sure the spooks were sharing all the intel with the feds this time .........yea, that'll happen.

    Well, anyway, the President is the top commander of the millitary. The CIA is a level that he would be communicating on if he desired to know.

    Non comms with no previous training and barely aware of Army standard operating procedure, given direction by CIA interrogators.................then not followed up on by the chain of command and given direction.

    It's over.

    Pull out now.

    Forget installing a government.

    Even the new Iraq, which thirsted for freedom for 30 years, would not want our idea of democracy.
  11. by   teeituptom
    Thats what Ive said all along peeps

    and BTW Im almost out the door to castle hills, you wanna come
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    and BTW Im almost out the door to castle hills, you wanna come
    During finals week it could be considered against the Geneva Convention to say that!

    You do want me to practice don't you "Mr 76"?

    After payday I'm game for any course. That'll give me a week to shake out the cobwebs.

    Whatever course is good for you. I can't wait to just relax and forget about everything but golf.
  13. by   sbic56
    Here, here, peeps, tom. When are Bushie and the boys going to get it? They don't want what we have to offer!!