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Is it okay for certain Senators to write a new bill for healthcare bill in secret?

  1. 1. Is it okay for certain Senators to write a new bill for healthcare bill in secret?

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Rarely do you see folks post those lies and then admit their error after the truth is revealed to them.

Of course not; they just double down on the lies.

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An intentional misinterpretation by the Right, since the day she made the original speech.

The long (and surprisingly happy) life of Nancy Pelosi's ‘pass the bill' gaffe - The Washington Post

In the seven years since Pelosi uttered that quote, it has become part of the conservative catechism. Republicans, arguing that the ACA was passed in a hurry — instead of the many, grueling months that reporters remember — slap the Pelosi quote on the table like a royal flush ...

 

The Context Behind Nancy Pelosi's Famous ‘We Have to Pass the Bill' Quote | Mediaite

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won't appreciate how great the Democrat's health plan is until after it passes.

'You've heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don't know if you've heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. 'But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.” ... Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law's complexity.

 

 

Nancy Pelosi was right: Democrats had to pass the bill so people could find out what's in it - Vox

One of former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's most infamous quotes was something she said during a 20-minute speech to the National Association of Counties' 2010 legislative conference. Congress was considering the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and the endless, breathless coverage of the contentious process, Pelosi explained, was preventing people from appreciating the significance of its contents.

 

'We have to pass the bill,” she said, 'so that you can find out what is in it — away from the fog of the controversy.”

 

Conservatives — abetted by dozens of political journalists who should have known better — immediately seized on a truncated version of the quote. Pelosi was really expressing her confidence in the underlying merits of the bill, but it became instead a shorthand for the allegedly dodgy process through which Obamacare was passed.

Well, now we know what's in it, and it sucks. And whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed, that outcome was that it sucks.

I too doubt the republicans know what they are doing now, but let's quit pretending the democrats are any better.

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Well, now we know what's in it, and it sucks. And whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed, that outcome was that it sucks.

I too doubt the republicans know what they are doing now, but let's quit pretending the democrats are any better.

It's popular social conservative opinion that Obamacare sucks, but the data demonstrates that the ACA (while far from perfect) served to control overhead costs/charges of insurers, reduced or stabilized the rate that premiums increased as compared to preACA rate increases, and allowed millions of poor Americans to access health care.

Meanwhile, Republican rhetoric on the topic seems focused on getting tax breaks in place for the wealthiest, not on making American health care more accessible or affordable. Based upon that I would say that, no, Democrats and Republicans are not the same.

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Well, now we know what's in it, and it sucks. And whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed, that outcome was that it sucks.

That's your opinion, not some kind of objective, universal truth.

And what's this about "whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed"? It's not a matter of what anyone "wants to believe;" there was an actual process and time line that could be observed and measured. So sorry that the reality conflicts with the conservative storyline; I realize that's inconvenient for you, but, as the old saying goes, everyone is entitled to her/his own opinions, but not to her/his own set of facts.

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I have patients that I know are alive today because they had access to affordable insurance via the ACA.

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If we do nothing, the ACA will die on its own. Major insurers are dropping markets and premiums are rising quickly. That said, what I've heard about the Republican plan sounds like it would not improve things. A week ago the radio was saying Trump called the Republican plan mean.

During the campaign Trump said Obamacare would be replaced with something better. I hope he stays true to that promise. If they present a poor bill I expect him to veto it.

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This is very true. People are now able to afford their medications, treatments, get a basic checkup, to name a few. This is such a personal fight for me because I am a nurse=I am an advocate.

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Sen. Claire McCaskill plead to work together on new healthcare bill.

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I would agree that the American capitalism/profit based health system is collapsing under it's own weight. We knew when the ACA was being written that our system was not sustainable. Continuously rising costs, prices, and profit margins coupled with embarrassingly suboptimal health outcomes - that's the status of our system.

We have middle income citizens purchasing their life saving drugs in Thailand and India because our Congress feels it is more important to protect the rights of the corporation than to protect the citizen.

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That's your opinion, not some kind of objective, universal truth.

And what's this about "whatever you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and passed"? It's not a matter of what anyone "wants to believe;" there was an actual process and time line that could be observed and measured. So sorry that the reality conflicts with the conservative storyline; I realize that's inconvenient for you, but, as the old saying goes, everyone is entitled to her/his own opinions, but not to her/his own set of facts.

Bill Clinton shares my opinion. As do many Americans. And that is a major factor that determined who was elected President.

Yes, I am well aware of what you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and rehashing a old argument is of no interest to me.

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Bill Clinton shares my opinion. As do many Americans. And that is a major factor that determined who was elected President.

Yes, I am well aware of what you want to believe about how the ACA was formed and rehashing a old argument is of no interest to me.

Again, "what you want to believe"?? Are you disputing the time frame for the debate, amendment process, multiple public hearings, etc., etc., etc.?? There is public record. Most of it was on television. It's not a matter of anyone's personal opinion or beliefs. I'm sorry that the truth conflicts with your talking points.

And if you really don't want to "rehash(ing) an old argument," you could have simply not responded to my earlier post.

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