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Justice Dept. Drops Case Against Michael Flynn

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The Justice Department dropped its criminal case on Thursday against Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s first national security adviser, who had previously pleaded guilty to lying to F.B.I. agents about his conversations with a Russian diplomat.

The extraordinary move comes amid a sustained attack by Mr. Flynn’s lawyers on prosecutors and the F.B.I., accusing them of egregious conduct. In recent days, Mr. Flynn’s lawyers said the Justice Department had uncovered new documents that pointed to misconduct, particularly in investigators’ interview of Mr. Flynn in January 2017 as part of its inquiry into whether Trump advisers conspired with Russia’s election interference.

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Justice Dept. Drops Case Against Michael Flynn

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Evidence that the corrupt president has an equally corrupt AG and DOJ in place.  Soon the military leadership will be culled based upon loyalty to the the Don. 

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May soon have to start a Obamagate thread.

"Information released as the Justice Department dropped its charges against Gen. Mike Flynn shows that President Barack Obama, in his final days in office, played a key role in fanning the flames of phony scandal. Fully briefed on the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation, he knew the FBI had come up with nothing despite months of work starting in July 2016

Yet on Jan. 5, 2017, Obama told top officials who’d be staying on in the new administration to keep the crucial facts from Team Trump."

 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/looks-like-president-obama-ordered-up-phony-russiagate-scandal/

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4 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

May soon have to start a Obamagate thread.

"Information released as the Justice Department dropped its charges against Gen. Mike Flynn shows that President Barack Obama, in his final days in office, played a key role in fanning the flames of phony scandal. Fully briefed on the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation, he knew the FBI had come up with nothing despite months of work starting in July 2016

Yet on Jan. 5, 2017, Obama told top officials who’d be staying on in the new administration to keep the crucial facts from Team Trump."

 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/looks-like-president-obama-ordered-up-phony-russiagate-scandal/

This is really funny.

Do you have answer as to why Flynn plead guilty to charges that you insist he was innocent of?

Did FBI agents hold guns to his head?

Did they force him to lie about his Russian contacts?

Don't forget, Flynn was working as a foreign agent for Turkey.

I think the FBI gave him a pass on that, as I don't think he was registered as a foreign agent.

 

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5 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

May soon have to start a Obamagate thread.

"Information released as the Justice Department dropped its charges against Gen. Mike Flynn shows that President Barack Obama, in his final days in office, played a key role in fanning the flames of phony scandal. Fully briefed on the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation, he knew the FBI had come up with nothing despite months of work starting in July 2016

Yet on Jan. 5, 2017, Obama told top officials who’d be staying on in the new administration to keep the crucial facts from Team Trump."

 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/looks-like-president-obama-ordered-up-phony-russiagate-scandal/

The "phony scandal" argument seems dependent on the person believing it having no idea what triggered the investigation, which was that multiple members of Trump's campaign and incoming administration were acting as unregistered agents of the Russian government and/or Putin-tied interests.  These facts don't seem to be disputed, but instead ignored by those pushing the 'phony scandal narrative.  Your article makes no attempt to dispute the material basis of the investigation, if you disagree with it yourself then feel free to elaborate.

To start, Trump hired a campaign manager who was already known to be a paid promoter of Russian interests, although as the investigation discovered, what we knew at the time he was made campaign manager was the just the beginning.  

Then there was Carter Page, who while also a member of the Trump campaign was acting as an unregistered agent for the Russian government, and had met with Russian government and Putin-linked individuals.  The allegations made against him were the main basis for claims that the Steele Dossier was not accurate, although it then turned out that the allegations against him were shown to be true.

Then there's Flynn, also simultaneously part of the campaign and incoming administration while acting on behalf of the Russian government.  Then there's Rick Gates, Trump's odd pro-Russian stance, etc.  

Taken together, I don't see how any rational person can argue there was no basis for any investigation, but feel free to try.  

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15 hours ago, MunoRN said:

The "phony scandal" argument seems dependent on the person believing it having no idea what triggered the investigation, which was that multiple members of Trump's campaign and incoming administration were acting as unregistered agents of the Russian government and/or Putin-tied interests.  These facts don't seem to be disputed, but instead ignored by those pushing the 'phony scandal narrative.  Your article makes no attempt to dispute the material basis of the investigation, if you disagree with it yourself then feel free to elaborate.

To start, Trump hired a campaign manager who was already known to be a paid promoter of Russian interests, although as the investigation discovered, what we knew at the time he was made campaign manager was the just the beginning.  

Then there was Carter Page, who while also a member of the Trump campaign was acting as an unregistered agent for the Russian government, and had met with Russian government and Putin-linked individuals.  The allegations made against him were the main basis for claims that the Steele Dossier was not accurate, although it then turned out that the allegations against him were shown to be true.

Then there's Flynn, also simultaneously part of the campaign and incoming administration while acting on behalf of the Russian government.  Then there's Rick Gates, Trump's odd pro-Russian stance, etc.  

Taken together, I don't see how any rational person can argue there was no basis for any investigation, but feel free to try.  

I'm not really interested in reviving old arguments.  

What is relatively new is that we know Carter Page has been cleared and that there was no basis for and abuses were made in order to investigate him, per the IG report and Mueller report.  

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12 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

I'm not really interested in reviving old arguments.  

What is relatively new is that we know Carter Page has been cleared and that there was no basis for and abuses were made in order to investigate him, per the IG report and Mueller report.  

I'm not sure why you posted about a topic that you're "not really interested in reviving".

Carter Page was never "cleared" by the IG report or the Mueller report.  Both reports note that there was clearly sufficient evidence to surveil Page despite failing to find clearly prosecutable acts.  While the IG report found multiple problems with the FISA applications, it didn't find that the FISA warrants would have not have been granted in the absence of these problems.

What was known is that Page had been actively recruited by Russian agents, in a covertly recorded conservation between three Russian intelligence operatives regarding Page, they discussed the recruitment process of Page and ultimately determined that while he was "enthusiastic", he was an "idiot", and chose to abandon Page's recruitment.

So what the FBI knew was that someone who was part of a Presidential campaign turned incoming administration was known to be a Russian spy recruit, and was continuing to pursue contacts in Russia, and what you're arguing seems to be that despite knowing that the FBI should have looked the other way.  I'm sorry, but that's absurd.  

 

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21 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

I'm not really interested in reviving old arguments.  

What is relatively new is that we know Carter Page has been cleared and that there was no basis for and abuses were made in order to investigate him, per the IG report and Mueller report.  

You have never answered my question, dude.

Why did Flynn lie to the FBI about contact with Russians?

Why did he plead guilty? 

Why did he lie to Pence?

Btw- it looks like the judicial system isn't quite ready to let go of Flynn, no matter what Billy Barr says.

We all know what is going on here.

Billy Barr has been trying since last year, to negate the Mueller Report, and exonerate Trump.

But no matter how Barr tries to whitewash the Truth, the Truth is still the Truth.

It's like the false sign Trump put up at his recent presser, about US doing more testing than any other nation.

He can hang the sign, but it doesn't change the Truth.

Reasonable people understand this.

 

 

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From today's NY Times:

Judge Appoints Outsider To Take On Justice Department In Flynn Case

Billy Barr ought to be ashamed.

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10 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

You have never answered my question, dude.

Why did Flynn lie to the FBI about contact with Russians?

Why did he plead guilty? 

Why did he lie to Pence?

Btw- it looks like the judicial system isn't quite ready to let go of Flynn, no matter what Billy Barr says.

We all know what is going on here.

Billy Barr has been trying since last year, to negate the Mueller Report, and exonerate Trump.

But no matter how Barr tries to whitewash the Truth, the Truth is still the Truth.

It's like the false sign Trump put up at his recent presser, about US doing more testing than any other nation.

He can hang the sign, but it doesn't change the Truth.

Reasonable people understand this.

 

 

All I hear in your questions is that the ends justify the means.  

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On 5/12/2020 at 12:14 PM, Lucylu71 said:

May soon have to start a Obamagate thread.

"Information released as the Justice Department dropped its charges against Gen. Mike Flynn shows that President Barack Obama, in his final days in office, played a key role in fanning the flames of phony scandal. Fully briefed on the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation, he knew the FBI had come up with nothing despite months of work starting in July 2016

Yet on Jan. 5, 2017, Obama told top officials who’d be staying on in the new administration to keep the crucial facts from Team Trump."

 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/looks-like-president-obama-ordered-up-phony-russiagate-scandal/

I am sure that most posters here recognize "Obamagate" as the latest right-wing conspiracy theory put forth by rabid Trumpsters.

Anything to deflect from their failing and flailing leader.

Remember, three plays in the playbook: Lie, deny and deflect.

I am beginning to think that Trump and Trumpsters think he is running against Obama in 2020.

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2 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

All I hear in your questions is that the ends justify the means.  

I have no idea what your response means, other than you obviously can't answer my questions.

You have no explanation as to why an "innocent" Flynn would plead guilty, or lie to FBI and Pence.

Completely understand.

Most innocent people don't lie, and then plead guilty.

 

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