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The only time you know a leader/Politian is not lying to you is when their lips are not moving and that is true for both sides of the aisle

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Any time I think "The only time" a class or group pf people does something I have been wrong.

When I thought ALL people of a category NOT what I had thought. act or think in a certain way I have later met one or more members of that group who were (nurses, Whites, people from a specific location, men, women, or any other group)

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The only time you know a leader/Politian is not lying to you is when their lips are not moving and that is true for both sides of the aisle

I think most people in elected office start out with good intentions and honestly wish to serve the people who elect them. Not all, but most. But our ridiculous election system that relies on raising huge amounts of contributions has corrupted the system, leading career politicians to cater to big contributors. Congressmen feel obligated to start fund-raising for the next election as soon as they are elected. Thus, while they may tell voters what they want to hear, they are kissing up to lobbyists and PACs.

Yes, this happens across the political spectrum, but I think an educated, discerning electorate should be able to see the truth. Unfortunately, more and more people refuse to educate themselves, and listen only to what sounds good and are swayed by crooked grifters.

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I think most people in elected office start out with good intentions and honestly wish to serve the people who elect them. Not all, but most. But our ridiculous election system that relies on raising huge amounts of contributions has corrupted the system, leading career politicians to cater to big contributors. Congressmen feel obligated to start fund-raising for the next election as soon as they are elected. Thus, while they may tell voters what they want to hear, they are kissing up to lobbyists and PACs.

Yes, this happens across the political spectrum, but I think an educated, discerning electorate should be able to see the truth. Unfortunately, more and more people refuse to educate themselves, and listen only to what sounds good and are swayed by crooked grifters.

I think lobbyists money should be banned from politicians collecting money. That would force them to fulfill their obligation to the people they represent and not corporations. But I digress, the political system is ruined beyond repair. It will never be as it once was. I'm at the point where I think people get into politics nowadays just so they can be corrupted and collect money. It's not the title that lures them in, it's the lobbying and their money that's attractive to politicians. Unless we find a way to block or severely limit lobbying funds, we're doomed.

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I think lobbyists money should be banned from politicians collecting money. That would force them to fulfill their obligation to the people they represent and not corporations. But I digress, the political system is ruined beyond repair. It will never be as it once was. I'm at the point where I think people get into politics nowadays just so they can be corrupted and collect money. It's not the title that lures them in, it's the lobbying and their money that's attractive to politicians. Unless we find a way to block or severely limit lobbying funds, we're doomed.

We are unlikely to do that for a very long time with conservatives in control of the court. There's only one thing that conservatives love more than money, power.

At this rate, our republic could be lost before 2020. We may discover in November that our votes don't actually count and once elections are universally controlled we will devolve into an authoritarian kleptocracy. Like Russia but much more powerful.

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We are unlikely to do that for a very long time with conservatives in control of the court. There's only one thing that conservatives love more than money, power.

At this rate, our republic could be lost before 2020. We may discover in November that our votes don't actually count and once elections are universally controlled we will devolve into an authoritarian kleptocracy. Like Russia but much more powerful.

I agree and understand to a certain degree. Unlike Russia, people here will fight back before they go along with this fiasco. There are also a large number of citizens who own weapons. Trump's base would be his biggest opponent, after all, they hate big government (allegedly). Once they realize he's their greatest threat they'll be his greatest threat.

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Trump's base would be his biggest opponent, after all, they hate big government (allegedly). Once they realize he's their greatest threat they'll be his greatest threat.

So far, during the campaign and into the administration, they appear to be swallowing every lie and piece of blatant nonsense he throws them, hook, line, and sinker; so I don't have any great confidence in their ability to suddenly rise up and face objective reality when it conflicts with their preconceived worldview. They seem to be just adjusting their beliefs to adapt and conform to whatever Trump tells them.

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So far, during the campaign and into the administration, they appear to be swallowing every lie and piece of blatant nonsense he throws them, hook, line, and sinker; so I don't have any great confidence in their ability to suddenly rise up and face objective reality when it conflicts with their preconceived worldview. They seem to be just adjusting their beliefs to adapt and conform to whatever Trump tells them.

When they're hurting enough, they will. In the meantime, KY just kicked half a million people off Medicaid dental and other benefits. Let's see how that plays out because that's one of his supporting states. Coal miners, steel workers, union workers, and Carrier employees are already jumping ship.

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When they're hurting enough, they will. In the meantime, KY just kicked half a million people off Medicaid dental and other benefits. Let's see how that plays out because that's one of his supporting states. Coal miners, steel workers, union workers, and Carrier employees are already jumping ship.

I hope you're right. :) I, too, have wondering how much personal pain and suffering as a result of Trump's policies it would take to get his supporters to see the light. For someone who campaigned as representing and protecting "the forgotten man," he sure seems to be going out of his way to make life worse for them (and yet, they seem to be lapping it up, at least so far).

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I hope you're right. :) I, too, have wondering how much personal pain and suffering as a result of Trump's policies it would take to get his supporters to see the light. For someone who campaigned as representing and protecting "the forgotten man," he sure seems to be going out of his way to make life worse for them (and yet, they seem to be lapping it up, at least so far).

I hope so too. At this rate that's all we have left.

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President Trump is the most vulgar, least articulate President to date. Honest? Pheeeewwww ok then.

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