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There is a quote floating about fb to the effect that the people who seem to know wht God wants always know that God wants what they want rather than they learn to accept what God wants. I don't think that has to become some big item to discuss as to God v. no God. It has to do with we justify what we want in many ways. God is one of the easiest for some.

i think i know what quote you're referring to...

something about what God wants seems to match another's agenda.

whatever the quote was, i do know it and agree with its contentions.

there have been many Christianity threads.

i would have liked to see this thread grow with varied input and opinions...

as i am fascinated hearing what others believe or not.

it's too bad that many believe that it is "my way or the highway" type attitude.

and i would have seriously loved to hear how others see/visualize God.

oh well, maybe some other time.

leslie

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I don't worry about how to describe my faith. it is.

I pray a lot. Not set prayers, it is wordless and spontaneous.

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i think i know what quote you're referring to...

something about what God wants seems to match another's agenda.

whatever the quote was, i do know it and agree with its contentions.

there have been many Christianity threads.

i would have liked to see this thread grow with varied input and opinions...

as i am fascinated hearing what others believe or not.

it's too bad that many believe that it is "my way or the highway" type attitude.

and i would have seriously loved to hear how others see/visualize God.

oh well, maybe some other time.

leslie

don't give up. Others will be by, sooner or later, your question hasn't been up very long yet.

here is that old old quote, that ti first heard decades ago. It is from Susan B. Anthony, sufferagate, civil rights activist, patriot, and apparently, a free-thinker.

//" “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”//

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God is a circle whose centre is everywhere and circumference nowhere. Voltaire

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I don't worry about how to describe my faith.

oh, i wasn't asking for one to describe their faith.

i was curious to see how others see/visualize God...

how do they personify Him?

i'm wondering if most (Christians) see Him as Jesus...

and since i see Jesus and God as seperate entities, i was more curious as to what God looked like to others. :)

//" “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”//

agree with this quote...it applies to many.

and yes, this was the quote i was thinking of.

btw, Leslie, one of the most interesting descriptions of gods i ever ever heard, came from my pals 9 year old son. He said, "We all have our very own god, inside of us. There are lots of gods, or maybe it's only one god, divided up amongst all of us. We all get a little piece of the god, just for us. We all get our very own god."

i thought that was amazing from a child.

this.

this is exactly (EXACTLY!!) how i have felt my entire life...

that God lives within us.

i said this as a very young child and have never waivered in the veracity of my belief.

it makes sense to me...that we are of Him;

and again i will say, that ea and every one of us has an innate yet untouched/unacknowledged divinity that connects us as a whole.

i cannot possibly elaborate on such an indepth and complex concept, as it would take a book (for me, anyways).

i feel many adults disregard the natural instincts and inherent perceptions of kids (and animals!).

when my dtr was 5 yrs old, she shared with me that she had fallen out of bed but a "boy angel" had caught her.

18 yrs later, she still has vivid recollection of this angel...

and i believed her then, as i believe her now.

oh yes i do. :laugh:

leslie

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Oh. I don't know what God looks like. I know Jesus on arth looked lika a man but not really how he looked either.

I grew up looking at statues and pictures of Jesus and saints.

I guess it helped when I was little but now don't need a face to pray to.

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Oh. I don't know what God looks like. I know Jesus on arth looked lika a man but not really how he looked either.

I grew up looking at statues and pictures of Jesus and saints.

I guess it helped when I was little but now don't need a face to pray to.

I grew up the same way. It doesn't matter what God looks like - we'll find that out when we get to heaven. I can talk to Him without envisioning an actual face.

I think of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit . .. no need to give God a face.

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i love love LOVE your post here, Leslie!!

I guess i feel similarly, about my impassioned love of rationality, learning, reasoning and critical thinking skills and questioning!

I also kinda feel it is a loss for any who don't agree that these are most worthy guidelines to follow, too. I think reality is awesome, and think wayyyy too few people even realize the vast wonders all around us to explore and learn about. I know i didn't used to.

so, i think we might have that in common!!

I wish more theists could exist peacefully alongside of each other, but, sadly, theism is often (if not always, but, let's go with "often") somewhere at the root of most wars, and many of our darkest hours, much conflict, and even division amongst some family members at times. Endless list of problems caused by theism.

But, hard to find many troubles ever caused by deism, imo.

I do wish there was some universal religion, that was just about love, peace, understanding, including everyone, those who believe in deities, or not. Deities could be optional. Even I'D join THAT church!! If they don't link to theistic gods.

Heck, i'd probably study up to become one of their ministers and donate heavily to such a religion....

If it existed.

I know, i know, every theist reading along will jump in and say, "that's MY religion!" but, religions are exclusive, have odd and often discriminatory rules, oppress one group or another, etc. come with what seem to be very irrational stories, etc, is not same thing as love.

Love is not same thing as the named gods of any theism. I don't think religions and gods have much to do with each other, at all. (if gods existed, i doubt they'd have anything to do with theism)

Especially religion might not have anything to do with the kind of gods as described in the way that Leslie and others who might be understanding the gods as a more bigger, generalized "for everyone" love-energy and nature and physics kinds of visions of gods. okay, the others on this thread, described THAT kind of god wayyyy better than my lil synopsis there.

btw, Leslie, one of the most interesting descriptions of gods i ever ever heard, came from my pals 9 year old son. He said, "We all have our very own god, inside of us. There are lots of gods, or maybe it's only one god, divided up amongst all of us. We all get a little piece of the god, just for us. We all get our very own god."

i thought that was amazing from a child.

I really like what you wrote here Jean Marie :) Wouldn't it be awesome if we could all get along (in the world)? Wars, hatred, arguing over different religions. It's a shame. :no:

Love was also mentioned. Here is one of my favorite descriptions of Love. It comes from the bible (1 Cor 13:4-8a) but even if one doesn't read the bible I think we could agree this is good. :heartbeat:

Love is patient, love is kind.

It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking,

it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

It always protects, always trusts, always hopes,

always perseveres.Love never fails.

Imagine if we all lived by this standard. Things would be different in the world.

Yep, it would be good. We could dream, right? :rolleyes:

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now i am singing john lennon's "imagine".

yes frances, we shall dream but will continue in trying to make it/love a reality.

leslie

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I was asked a question that is so easy and yet so hard to answer. Why use the Bible? Is there a need for the Bible? As a person of some little faith I can say my view of the OT is not very positive. I think of it as stories similar to buggy man stories we see now. Be good or else. The or else was always in the past and supernatural things. There are parallels between known scieince and Bible stories. The fact that there are similar stories all around the globe lead me to believe there were major events that people could not explain so they created stories that answered the why.

I think the NT is important not only for the history of Jesus and his teachings but also how new thoughts and beliefs are spread. The letters about building churches and the problems faced are similar to what we see today when something new is introduced. In some ways the letters chronicle how a spark is ignited about a belief.

Some passages comfort my soul. When my DH was taken off the vent and allowed to pass a couple of things happened. He lifted his arms as if to be carried. He had a massive stroke and was unable to move so this was unexpected. The intensivist who was primary was there and led us in the 23rd Psalm. He had already found out that we were not adverse to prayer. That simple gathering of the family with the physician who had fought for Michael's life meant a great deal to me.

So, I have no easy answer as to the importance of the Bible. I don't quote it. I don't memorize it. I use it like I use other treatments. When I sprain my ankle I use RICE. When my soul feels strained I use Psalms. When I look for peace I read the words of Christ. When I am frustrated that others cannot see change as I do I need to review the letters of Paul.

So, I guess I use it as a textbook for review of life issues and solutions as offered by Christ and His followers.

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I was asked a question that is so easy and yet so hard to answer. Why use the Bible? Is there a need for the Bible? As a person of some little faith I can say my view of the OT is not very positive. I think of it as stories similar to buggy man stories we see now. Be good or else. The or else was always in the past and supernatural things. There are parallels between known scieince and Bible stories. The fact that there are similar stories all around the globe lead me to believe there were major events that people could not explain so they created stories that answered the why.

I think the NT is important not only for the history of Jesus and his teachings but also how new thoughts and beliefs are spread. The letters about building churches and the problems faced are similar to what we see today when something new is introduced. In some ways the letters chronicle how a spark is ignited about a belief.

Some passages comfort my soul. When my DH was taken off the vent and allowed to pass a couple of things happened. He lifted his arms as if to be carried. He had a massive stroke and was unable to move so this was unexpected. The intensivist who was primary was there and led us in the 23rd Psalm. He had already found out that we were not adverse to prayer. That simple gathering of the family with the physician who had fought for Michael's life meant a great deal to me.

So, I have no easy answer as to the importance of the Bible. I don't quote it. I don't memorize it. I use it like I use other treatments. When I sprain my ankle I use RICE. When my soul feels strained I use Psalms. When I look for peace I read the words of Christ. When I am frustrated that others cannot see change as I do I need to review the letters of Paul.

So, I guess I use it as a textbook for review of life issues and solutions as offered by Christ and His followers.

That was beautiful, AKY, so raw and honest, so honored how you shared such tender moments to explain your feelings. Thank you for explaining how you feel to me, it is an honor to stand witness to bits of your heart. My eyes heart moved when reading your post, AKY.

Moments that were powerful to you, had the bible inserted into them. It is comfortable and familiar to you. At times when you were maybe barely able to inhale/exhale, at maybe the hardest ever moments in your life, others around you comforted you with words from the bible. You most likely, grew up with it. You have found a way to maybe focus only the parts you like best, ignore the rest, without letting those ugly parts land on you, or maybe you just skip over/gloss over those parts of the NT,

and it is almost maybe a habit for you, to turn to it, when you are stressed or afraid or in pain or whatever.

It might even be part of a community you belong to, in some form or another, like i talk about in post#63.

Still, even the NT has terrible ideas, (like eternal torture for finite sins, and so many other bad ideas in the NT too, i could list them all, but won't)

The Jesus character, who mentioned over 100 times to follow the OT, referred to OT stories as real, and Jesus did leave much to be desired, but did had some great qualities..

i personally especially loved that the Jesus god was a liberal.

even said those who don't help the poor will burn eternally, (apparently didn't think of the poor as 'takers')

and seemed to think rich people might not be getting into heaven,

Jesus did not seem a fan of making money as the end all goal, was wayy into sharing (usually) Seemed to grasp that taxes were necessary in some communities with shared amenities, and was intermittently against violence. Lots of things make me think he'd be a liberal. Plus, like his dad, Jesus liked wine. You could pick a worse god.

but, i could list a ton of things wrong with him, too. Kinda big list of questionable things most people don't seem to notice are very wrong with that guy. "Love me or Burn" is no way to get love, imo.

There are some fascinating stories about that Paul. The origins of any religion are always interesting to me.

but, you have made many powerful associations to the stories of these particular gods, and to that book. Maybe a solemnity can surround it, in your mind, too, because of the associations there. It might even be, in part, a sentimental thing for you by now, too.

thank you again for opening your heart up like that, it was very beautiful, very generous of you.

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That was beautiful, AKY, so raw and honest, so honored how you shared such tender moments to explain your feelings. Thank you for explaining how you feel to me, it is an honor to stand witness to bits of your heart. My eyes heart moved when reading your post, AKY.

Moments that were powerful to you, had the bible inserted into them. It is comfortable and familiar to you. At times when you were maybe barely able to inhale/exhale, at maybe the hardest ever moments in your life, others around you comforted you with words from the bible. You most likely, grew up with it. You have found a way to maybe focus only the parts you like best, ignore the rest, without letting those ugly parts land on you, or maybe you just skip over/gloss over those parts of the NT,

and it is almost maybe a habit for you, to turn to it, when you are stressed or afraid or in pain or whatever.

It might even be part of a community you belong to, in some form or another, like i talk about in post#63.

Still, even the NT has terrible ideas, (like eternal torture for finite sins, and so many other bad ideas in the NT too, i could list them all, but won't)

The Jesus character, who mentioned over 100 times to follow the OT, referred to OT stories as real, and Jesus did leave much to be desired, but did had some great qualities..

i personally especially loved that the Jesus god was a liberal.

even said those who don't help the poor will burn eternally, (apparently didn't think of the poor as 'takers')

and seemed to think rich people might not be getting into heaven,

Jesus did not seem a fan of making money as the end all goal, was wayy into sharing (usually) Seemed to grasp that taxes were necessary in some communities with shared amenities, and was intermittently against violence. Lots of things make me think he'd be a liberal. Plus, like his dad, Jesus liked wine. You could pick a worse god.

but, i could list a ton of things wrong with him, too. Kinda big list of questionable things most people don't seem to notice are very wrong with that guy. "Love me or Burn" is no way to get love, imo.

There are some fascinating stories about that Paul. The origins of any religion are always interesting to me.

but, you have made many powerful associations to the stories of these particular gods, and to that book. Maybe a solemnity can surround it, in your mind, too, because of the associations there. It might even be, in part, a sentimental thing for you by now, too.

thank you again for opening your heart up like that, it was very beautiful, very generous of you.

I think it is time to let those who rely on the Bible for spiritual guidance just be. After all, no one has to justify it to anyone, just as no one is asking you to justify atheism. In my Biblical Studies & World Religion courses in college, Jesus was never presented as someone with socialist views toward social & fiscal issues; I would not attempt to put him on a modern day political spectrum.

The OT was necessary to teach us about Jewish traditions & set us up for the coming of the Messiah. The NT was a beautiful book, in my opinion, that taught us about godly living. The NT has in it universal truths. No one's belief in them should be trivialized.

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