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if someone becomes a deist,

they CAN still have the holidays, too! Every christian holiday is a pagan or secular holiday, stolen and renamed. Well, except for Easter, celebrating the fertility goddess Eostore.

Is it from the fertility goddess Eostore, that we get the word "estrogen" from.

Eostore arrived to earth, in a giant egg, in spring time, and rode on bunnies, promoting fertility, apparently. It's not clear if these were giant bunnies,

or if Eostore was just a very tiny goddess.

but, that's where christians get their "bunny and egg" holiday.

but, Easter stands alone, as the only major christian holiday i can think of, that the christians didn't even bother to change the name, just took it over.

When christians DO take over a holiday, they do continue to use most of the same customs that are already in place, too. Handy, i thought.

so, anyway, if someone becomes a deist, they CAN still celebrate the holidays!!!

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I'm OK with others beliefs or lack of belief. I can't get upset with kind people who treat others well.

The golden rule is good enough for me.

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and for what it's worth, i don't believe it is "magic" that explains the unexplainable.

but i do believe that much happens despite our ignorance.

i still believe we only utilize a minimal percentage of our brains.

i believe in supernatural, metaphysical, paranormal, extraterrestial, etc etc etc...

i like to have an open mind and live in wonder, vs rigid beliefs...

so that to me, most anything is possible when one believes.

instead of "seeing is believing", i am from the camp that states "believing is seeing".

only when our minds are open, curious, and receptive, can we be exposed to truly phenomenal events.

leslie

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and for what it's worth, i don't believe it is "magic" that explains the unexplainable.

but i do believe that much happens despite our ignorance.

i still believe we only utilize a minimal percentage of our brains.

i believe in supernatural, metaphysical, paranormal, extraterrestial, etc etc etc...

i like to have an open mind and live in wonder, vs rigid beliefs...

so that to me, most anything is possible when one believes.

instead of "seeing is believing", i am from the camp that states "believing is seeing".

only when our minds are open, curious, and receptive, can we be exposed to truly phenomenal events.

leslie

i like your attitude. I don't believe in things there is no empirical evidence for, and much of your list has zero objective evidence that stands up to science. but many people like those things, and those are every bit as rational as religion is, imo.

I do think there are other life forms out there, but, do not believe any of the reports of aliens landing here, and abducting farmers, etc. but, when considering the endless expanse of space, it's hard to imagine we are the only planet with lifeforms on it....that seems almost impossible to me.

and magic and gods do have a LOT in common. (not like the kind of trickery done by professional magicians, but, the bigger idea of magic as seen in some movies, etc) To me, "magic" and "gods" are almost indistinguishable, and can almost be used interchangeably, almost.

One of the world's most premier astrophycisits says:

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Some beliefs can squelch the urge to explore more and more, if the person is satisfied "god did it" which to ME, often sounds like saying it was "magic".

I so agree, we only use a tiny % of our brains. I also hugely agree, that what we understand is a teeny tiny fraction of what there is to understand or learn about.

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and for what it's worth, i don't believe it is "magic" that explains the unexplainable.

but i do believe that much happens despite our ignorance.

i still believe we only utilize a minimal percentage of our brains.

i believe in supernatural, metaphysical, paranormal, extraterrestial, etc etc etc...

i like to have an open mind and live in wonder, vs rigid beliefs...

so that to me, most anything is possible when one believes.

instead of "seeing is believing", i am from the camp that states "believing is seeing".

only when our minds are open, curious, and receptive, can we be exposed to truly phenomenal events.

leslie

also, there ARE TRULY PHENOMENAL EVENTS going on, in real life, alllllll around us, and throughout the universe, for real. the more you learn of these things, the more amazing and fascinating they become.

I must admit, i was blind to most of these til i became atheist and fell in with more science minded people and websites and books and documentaries and classes all turning me on to the truly amazing things all over this planet and out in the cosmos, that i was mostly oblivious to before.

awesome world.jpg

if that is too small, it reads "Reality is Awesome"

it's been a real awakening for me.

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I have stated previously, can't recall if it was in this thread, that I cherry pick without shame or discomfort.

I believe the OT is historical fiction. It is oral tradition put into words. I think of it as similar to the stories Indians used to explain many things. Stories to explain the unexplainable. I think the NT contains a great deal of comfort and a sense of peace to believe that there once was a perfect person who walked among the rest of the people. He shared thoughts that created an atmosphere of acceptance rather than exclusion. I am of the opinion that Revelations was the work of a man driven mad by the tortures he faced as the leader of spreading a new doctrine as well as the need for coded words for the same reason.

My son has studied the Bible more than anyone I know, or can imagine. He reads it in Latin, Greek, and some other languages. His view of the Bible is not the same as mine. He believes every word is straight from God. I believe it was written by men and translated by men. It was transcribed by men. Man is fallible. Obviously we get into many discussions about the Bible. We get different things out of many passages. The current translations give different meaning to some passages. Obviously we evolve in our understanding. We do not have an urban dictionary to explain some of the words that might have had a different meaning in the past. All the factors that make me believe that the Bible is fallible are also the reasons I go back to it. Psalms has many verses that tell me that others have had the same struggle with God that I often feel. The words of the NT, although not written until many years after the death of Jesus, ring true, if one believes that one man fought to change the status quo and died for this.

The challenge of Christianity is not the words of the Bible, it is the belief of The Cross. Did one man, without sin, die to cleanse us of all our sins? If so, why do we need to be good people? After all if we believe in the man, we are saved. That is not the message of The Cross. This is not a course in Christianity so let's not get further into this.

The Bible has to be read by fallible people. We all get our own interpretation of what is written. I enjoy Neil Degrasse Tyson. What I get out of his work leads me to believe even more in one God. iIt is all in where you come from as to what you connect.

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so, anyway, if someone becomes a deist, they CAN still celebrate the holidays!!!

*** Heck ya. I am an athiest and my family celibrates the holidays. Instead of it being about Christ, for us it's about family love and bonding.

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*** Heck ya. I am an athiest and my family celibrates the holidays. Instead of it being about Christ, for us it's about family love and bonding.

me too! me too! i LOVE the holidays!! I am fairly careful to use only ornaments and customs with pagan or secular basis, and avoid the nativity crib, but i do use

decorating the tree

the red and green decor

the evergreen wreaths

music, singing and feasting for 12 days

holly and ivy

elves and imps

mistletoe

the yule log

and many other pagan and secular based customs still enjoyed today.

i LOVE the holidays, i celebrate them all too!

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I have stated previously, can't recall if it was in this thread, that I cherry pick without shame or discomfort.

I believe the OT is historical fiction. It is oral tradition put into words. I think of it as similar to the stories Indians used to explain many things. Stories to explain the unexplainable. I think the NT contains a great deal of comfort and a sense of peace to believe that there once was a perfect person who walked among the rest of the people. He shared thoughts that created an atmosphere of acceptance rather than exclusion. I am of the opinion that Revelations was the work of a man driven mad by the tortures he faced as the leader of spreading a new doctrine as well as the need for coded words for the same reason.

My son has studied the Bible more than anyone I know, or can imagine. He reads it in Latin, Greek, and some other languages. His view of the Bible is not the same as mine. He believes every word is straight from God. I believe it was written by men and translated by men. It was transcribed by men. Man is fallible. Obviously we get into many discussions about the Bible. We get different things out of many passages. The current translations give different meaning to some passages. Obviously we evolve in our understanding. We do not have an urban dictionary to explain some of the words that might have had a different meaning in the past. All the factors that make me believe that the Bible is fallible are also the reasons I go back to it. Psalms has many verses that tell me that others have had the same struggle with God that I often feel. The words of the NT, although not written until many years after the death of Jesus, ring true, if one believes that one man fought to change the status quo and died for this.

The challenge of Christianity is not the words of the Bible, it is the belief of The Cross. Did one man, without sin, die to cleanse us of all our sins? If so, why do we need to be good people? After all if we believe in the man, we are saved. That is not the message of The Cross. This is not a course in Christianity so let's not get further into this.

The Bible has to be read by fallible people. We all get our own interpretation of what is written. I enjoy Neil Degrasse Tyson. What I get out of his work leads me to believe even more in one God. iIt is all in where you come from as to what you connect.

I agree with so so much of this post.

AKY, since any christian can really answer only for themself, could you share why do you use the bible or a religion at all? If you don't mind my asking. Since you are obviously capable of following your own inner moral code, and willing to do so, and since you do know right from wrong, how to be good moral person, etc,

why do you need the bible? If you don't mind my asking this, but, you seem able to explain even difficult things, and willing to admit you do cherry pick.

I can easily understand someone wanting to read inspirational stuff, i can. I do that myself. But much of the bible is not that great of morals, and most everyone just believes the stories they "like".

I can understand someone wanting a god, i really do. I can understand someone really believing in a god, i really do. I just can't understand why someone would want to indulge in the bible, when so so so many of the stories in it are ghastly and immoral, no matter how you interpret them. Yes, yes, some bible stories ARE very open to interpret one way or another,

but, genocide is genocide is genocide. Mass slaughter of children is mass slaughter of children. Ordering or condoning rape, is ordering or condoning rape.

Lots of really horrific stuff in there, being ordered by or done by the gods.

Lots of stuff does not strike me as inspirational, and wouldn't want children exposed to those stories.

Tons of very bad morals in that book. I can agree, it *might* be the bible was not divinely inspired as some christians say it was,

i can agree, there can be errors in translation, etc,

but, why would anyone be so willing to slog through all the reeeally bad stuff in that book, to find where there might some good ideas??

Doesn't a person already know right from wrong, and how to be good moral person?

I hope nothing here offends you, i am very sincere. I truly don't get it, why a person would choose a named god over being a deist.

if you don't want to answer this, i understand. If anyone else reading along, is willing to explain why they choose a named god over being a deist, i'm happy to hear their ideas too. NO doubt, there'd be different ideas from different christians.

As always, i am always willing to answer to any questions asked of me, too. I do not get insulted if you ask me stuff, i don't mind. I often get "what if you're wrong" and "aren't you afraid of hell" etc. I don't mind, i don't feel insulted by someone else's genuine attempt to understand a new point of view.

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i will never understand why religion has to be so exclusive and as a result, divisive.

to me, as long as the answer is love, who cares what type of dogma is taught?

why can't many look beyond their beliefs and just focus on the end result?

jean marie has made it crystal clear how she feels about God/Jesus...

and as a committed and impassioned lover of God, why would i take offense that she doesn't agree?

to ME, that is her loss...or anyone that doesn't believe.

yet if believers and non-believers alike, can coexist in a world where love and brotherhood is the goal, then truly, what does it matter who believes what?

i would love to be enlightened, if anyone cares to try and help me understand...

because it is rare when we can have a mature, intellectual discussion w/o someone getting upset...

and this is a subject (God - not religion per se) i could talk about all day.

leslie

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Leslie, it is a good question. You and I have differing views and can get past them easily. Same with many of my friends whose connection with Christianity is much different than mine. I think it has to do with maturity in the people involved.

My father was an older father. He was in his 50's when I was born. He was very conservative and quite outspoken about right and wrong. As he aged he became much more tolerant. He would tell me that he had changed his mind about many subjects. He no longer saw the world as black and white (not racial meaning, just opposites). As he aged he saw many more shades of gray and understood more about how people could think a certain way.

I was brought up to be tolerant of most things. There are few absolutes in my life. I am open to most things as a possibility. I was fortunate to have older parents who had lived through the Depression, WWII, Korea, VietNam, and went from horse and buggy to man on the moon. They had to change and accept change, rapid change. They taught me this daily.

That is why I have no problem with the explanation offered about certain words. I will accept that no disdain was meant and move on.

There is a quote floating about fb to the effect that the people who seem to know wht God wants always know that God wants what they want rather than they learn to accept what God wants. I don't think that has to become some big item to discuss as to God v. no God. It has to do with we justify what we want in many ways. God is one of the easiest for some.

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i will never understand why religion has to be so exclusive and as a result, divisive.

to me, as long as the answer is love, who cares what type of dogma is taught?

why can't many look beyond their beliefs and just focus on the end result?

jean marie has made it crystal clear how she feels about God/Jesus...

and as a committed and impassioned lover of God, why would i take offense that she doesn't agree?

to ME, that is her loss...or anyone that doesn't believe.

yet if believers and non-believers alike, can coexist in a world where love and brotherhood is the goal, then truly, what does it matter who believes what?

i would love to be enlightened, if anyone cares to try and help me understand...

because it is rare when we can have a mature, intellectual discussion w/o someone getting upset...

and this is a subject (God - not religion per se) i could talk about all day.

leslie

i love love LOVE your post here, Leslie!!

I guess i feel similarly, about my impassioned love of rationality, learning, reasoning and critical thinking skills and questioning!

I also kinda feel it is a loss for any who don't agree that these are most worthy guidelines to follow, too. I think reality is awesome, and think wayyyy too few people even realize the vast wonders all around us to explore and learn about. I know i didn't used to.

so, i think we might have that in common!!

I wish more theists could exist peacefully alongside of each other, but, sadly, theism is often (if not always, but, let's go with "often") somewhere at the root of most wars, and many of our darkest hours, much conflict, and even division amongst some family members at times. Endless list of problems caused by theism.

But, hard to find many troubles ever caused by deism, imo.

I do wish there was some universal religion, that was just about love, peace, understanding, including everyone, those who believe in deities, or not. Deities could be optional. Even I'D join THAT church!! If they don't link to theistic gods.

Heck, i'd probably study up to become one of their ministers and donate heavily to such a religion....

If it existed.

I know, i know, every theist reading along will jump in and say, "that's MY religion!" but, religions are exclusive, have odd and often discriminatory rules, oppress one group or another, etc. come with what seem to be very irrational stories, etc, is not same thing as love.

Love is not same thing as the named gods of any theism. I don't think religions and gods have much to do with each other, at all. (if gods existed, i doubt they'd have anything to do with theism)

Especially religion might not have anything to do with the kind of gods as described in the way that Leslie and others who might be understanding the gods as a more bigger, generalized "for everyone" love-energy and nature and physics kinds of visions of gods. okay, the others on this thread, described THAT kind of god wayyyy better than my lil synopsis there.

btw, Leslie, one of the most interesting descriptions of gods i ever ever heard, came from my pals 9 year old son. He said, "We all have our very own god, inside of us. There are lots of gods, or maybe it's only one god, divided up amongst all of us. We all get a little piece of the god, just for us. We all get our very own god."

i thought that was amazing from a child.

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