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but, thank you for the link, but 'cuz the bible said so' usually doesn't work for me.

i don't use the bible either.

still, in the absence of the biblical quotes, it still makes sense to me.

leslie

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This is exactly what I was trying to state earlier, how science & religion are not mutually exclusive. This is stated much more eloquently. Thanks Leslie.

As a science teacher and public lecturer on the compatibility of belief in God and science, I have been impressed with an increasing awareness on the part of many scientists and theologians that science and religion are symbiotic disciplines.
http://www.doesgodexist.org/Pamphlets/WhoCreatedGod.html

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o clarify, I see the bible as a book of parables that are rich with meaning.

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I am all for branches of religions which do NOT suppress or badmouth science!!

but, some do. Here is an elected republican senator, in 2012.

sad part is, he sits on the US Senate's Science committee...and is a physician.

I'm all "for" christians who do not believe every part of the bible, or who find ways to interpret the bible to fit in better with their understanding of science. (althought the bible also states, in NT, that2Peter 1:20

First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation

this is another reason, i find deism more logical to me, personally, than theism.

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I am all for branches of religions which do NOT suppress or badmouth science!!

but, some do. Here is an elected republican senator, in 2012.

sad part is, he sits on the Science committee...and is a physician.

I'm all "for" christians who do not believe every part of the bible, or who find ways to interpret the bible to fit in better with their understanding of science. (althought the bible also states, in NT, that2Peter 1:20

First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation

this is another reason, i find deism more logical to me, personally, than theism.

what is is. This man doesn't understand that.

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I feel like the Bahai Faith validates my choice of worship (traditional, Christian prayer + study of scripture) without excluding the religious traditions of others.

i totally respect any/all religions that are unifying, and not divisive.

leslie

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I do like your link, Leslie, but, i'll take Sagan's ideas over that guys. (Sagan was atheist, too, but mostly was in closet, as he lived in the 70s, VERRRRY hard to be heard on anything, if it was known you were atheist)

Most of my favorite scientists, are all atheists. The % of atheists in the science fields is far far higher than in other fields. Yes, yes, there are also some religious scientists, too, those do exist.

There are rational objections all over the net to the link you post, as well. I just grabbed only a few of them.

John N. Clayton is a liar | Zerowing21 on Xanga

Marty Leipzig Corrects John N. Clayton about "Does God Exist"

I am happy to admit, i personally do not know which of the scintists theories of the universe is true. Lack of understanding something is not proof to think the answer must be magic.

Astronomy and the cosmos do have theories that seem as logical to me as an invisible friend did it. I could post link after link, but, it is really more than can fit in a post. It might take years of studying to be able to understand how the universe came to be. I can post some literature from Hawkings, Sagan, De Grasse Tyson, etc, to help you gain insight into how scientists attempt to approach that question, if you want me to?

but, even if none of us "know" beyond a shadow of a doubt.

We are all carbon based lifeforms.

The carbon was brought to earth by a star crashing into our planet.

I like the idea, that we are,

literally,

born of stardust...

I like to this quote:

"We are all connected;

To each other, biologically

To the earth, chemically

To the rest of the universe atomically...that makes me smile."

~Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

(^all those guys there are atheists, btw)

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what is is. This man doesn't understand that.

i feel that man is not alone in his way of thinking, and i feel religion might have something to do with that man's attitudes.

His ideas used to be shared by the vast bulk of people, but, nowadays, more and more people seem to be moving away from his way of thinking of science as some kind of threat to religion.

although, the man's apparent fear of science might have a point--- there is an inverse relationship to how much a person has studied science, to their level of religious beliefs..

(yes, yes, there are some scientists who are religious, this is true! but, the bulk of scientists are not religious)

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i totally respect any/all religions that are unifying, and not divisive.

leslie

I would, if such a thing existed.

but, i like your attitude, Leslie!

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This is exactly what I was trying to state earlier, how science & religion are not mutually exclusive. This is stated much more eloquently. Thanks Leslie.

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Pamphlets/WhoCreatedGod.html

To clarify, I see the bible as a book of parables that are rich with meaning.

Many people have said things like this. I think the morals in many of the parables, warrant further investigation.

A Book of Blood

Is ^this really the behavior of a 'good' god? What is the message being taught there?? Why would anyone need that book for any reason at all? The 'lessons' htere are kinda ghastly, if one really contemplates what IS being ordered by,

rewarded by,

condoned by,

or directly performed by, the gods of the bible.

like i've often said, i don't have much problems with deism, it is more logical to me, than theism.

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I am all for branches of religions which do NOT suppress or badmouth science!!

I'm all "for" christians who do not believe every part of the bible, or who find ways to interpret the bible to fit in better with their understanding of science. (althought the bible also states, in NT, that2Peter 1:20

First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation

this is another reason, i find deism more logical to me, personally, than theism.

I feel like you are trying to pigeon hole Christians into a neat, simple category of believers when the range of beliefs among the various sects & individuals makes Christians a much more complex group of theists.

You mentioned "cherry picking" as a habit of theists, as if, when we choose to believe, we should only be permitted to have a narrow, congruous set of beliefs. I'm not locked into believing what the next guy believes just b/c we pray the same way & rely on passages from the bible for guidance & strength. There can be universal truths we agree upon, but we may not see eye to eye on some details. So be it.

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I feel like you are trying to pigeon hole Christians into a neat, simple category of believers when the range of beliefs among the various sects & individuals makes Christians a much more complex group of theists.

You mentioned "cherry picking" as a habit of theists, as if, when we choose to believe, we should only be permitted to have a narrow, congruous set of beliefs. I'm not locked into believing what the next guy believes just b/c we pray the same way & rely on passages from the bible for guidance & strength. There can be universal truths we agree upon, but we may not see eye to eye on some details. So be it.

Very good points.

*I* am not the one pigeonholing christians, it is the religion itself, imo, trying to get a group to all believe the same things as each other, with zero evidence.

If anyone is against such an idea, it might be me.

I am not against cherry picking the bible to create a more lovable god than the one that IS in that book, i have never ever met or heard of anyone who "likes" the entire bible.

The christians decides which parts are "true" based upon whether or not they "like" that part.

this is a form of 'creating' a god, imo. I'd preface it with "some" christians, but, any christian who followed every rule in that book, would end up in jail.

So long as the person acknowledgs that, yes, they are 'creating' a god they want, that is fine.

however, that then very much weakens any other time that same person wants to use an idea out of the bible as being from the gods. see? see what i mean there, or no?

It also reduces the idea we "need" a bible, at all, imo. why would someone slog through all the stuff in there that is so immoral, to create the god they already have in mind anyway? why not just start from scratch?

If one IS going to use their own inner moral code, to determine which parts of the bible to "like"

(again, "like" = "true")

why use it at all?

to me, it makes more sense, to be a deist, than a theist. If one is going to create a god, i'd just start from scratch, really. You'd probably come up with a far more likable god than the ones in the bible, you would not be bothered by all the obvious falsehoods and immoral stories in the book, you would not be associated with centuries of abuse and oppression, you could still have an afterlife if you want one,

and still have a really great god. No cherry picking involved.

seems more logical to me, anyway.

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