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Give me a break here, folks. What I took issue with was what some of us perceive as a belittling term that was repeated several times throughout the post. At no time did I express disagreement with, or contempt for, Jean-Marie's beliefs. She has every bit as much right to her opinions as I do mine.

All I ask is that people not sneer at other peoples' belief system. Fair enough?

I do think there are ideas and beliefs well worth questioning, (but rarely are questioned)

and hope we all try to avoid anything that smacks of "sneering". I am glad my views are not seen as "contemptous of a person who believes in a higher power", etc.

I can much admire a person who does not agree with me. I can and do love many theists. I was raised by two awesome theists, and have many theist siblings and relatives.

It is the idea i disagree with, not the value of the person themself.

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Give me a break here, folks. What I took issue with was what some of us perceive as a belittling term that was repeated several times throughout the post. At no time did I express disagreement with, or contempt for, Jean-Marie's beliefs. She has every bit as much right to her opinions as I do mine.

All I ask is that people not sneer at other peoples' belief system. Fair enough?

it really is 'funny' how we all see things differently.

i still refer to God as my invisible friend, acknowledging He never left my side.

and He knows i say it and feel it with nothing but affection, reverence, and gratitude.

someone today called me (et al) a "libtard".

why would i choose to be offended by someone i don't know?

perspective is everything.

*shrugs*

leslie

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I know my faith is not logical. It cannot be proven. That is what faith is.

If it could be proven it would not need faith.

One cold morning I rode my bike to get a cup of coffee and a donut. then went to a 7:00 am class. Pushing my bike across an overpass bridge I suddenly understood. God and physics are the same. Since then I know but cannot explain with words. I'm sure that no one will be denied joining with the universe because of ignorance. At the moment of death we will know. Then we choose God or not.

It makes no sense so I can't explain it.

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//" God and physics are the same."//

I love this!! At times, i have tried on this idea, too. for me, it makes the most sense of all the possible gods, near as i can tell.

I Know what you mean.

I find physics fascinating, absolutely mesmerizing!! When i was younger, i thought it was 'over my head' and did not even TRY to understand such things!! now, i can't get enough of physics, quantum physics, the cosmos, astronomy, etc. Fascinated also by almost all lifeforms, our planet and the creatures on it, are amazing.

but, i could not find a personality, or much of a moral being there, seems to be as random or cruel or amazing as nature itself, so I just call it physics or science, but, love it just the same!!

also, i could not interact with the laws of physics really, except in my own imagination, but, mostly that was myself talking to my own self.

this was a bit of a bummer for me at the time, but, i can't fake it, i knew it was my own brain interacting with my own brain. but i did try.

like old joke:

"When did i realize i was god? Well, i was praying, and i realized, i am just talking to my self."

joke joke, is only ajoke.

Julia Sweeney made a most fascinating movie about that moment, when you realize or admit you really are talking to your own self, called

"Letting go of god". It's very respectfully done, she really did want to have a god, just could not make any of the gods 'fit'. A grandmother could watch the film, it's probably at your local library to rent free. /very respectful, not offensive at all. NOt at all. Even a theist could watch it, and it's funny at times, too.

but, i still love sunsets!! I just never think it is deities playing peekaboo with me. I do understand why the sky changes colors at daybreak and end of day, but, makes it no less stunning for me. NO less breathtaking to behold.

Wish more people actually sat and actually watched a sunset more often, (besides just when they are on vacation) Ever notice how after vacations, they always say "oh wow, Hawaii/St Croix/Mexico/wherever has the BEST sunsets!"

it is just they actually TOOK THE TIME to watch the sunset.

is best show on earth, imo.

My family, very religious, all work to refer to god, during any rainbows, sunsets, or anything good happening. It almost seems a form of groupthink reflex for them now, to do that.

I don't think of gods when i see great things, but, enjoy the things every bit as much. The actual reasons behind what is causing the great things, are often just all the more wonderful, cuz they are fascinating real things.

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also, i so agree, faith is for things that can not be taken on merit. No proof, no objective empirical evidence, just believing stuff with no objective evidence, cuz you were told, or cuz you 'feel' it.

(fascinating studies done on parts of the brain, when stimulated, give the sense

something is there...i can find the links upon request)

I am not sure that believing stuff with no objective evidence IS always a good thing, but, i realize, everyone EVERYONE sees being able to believe in things there is zero objective, empirical evidence for,

as a 'quality' or as something "good" to strive for.

i think faith should be questioned as possibly being not a good thing at all. for real, i feel that is open to debate.

there are levels of faith. I have faith my guy won't cheat on me. But, i have logical reasons to say this. He has never cheated on me, he has demonstrated himself to be loyal type, and it is not an illogical thing to assume he is loyal to me. It's not a crazy idea or something that couldn't be verified, if i wanted to hire a spy. this would be within the realm of logical occurrences that could happen, and have happened before.

I have faith my BFF will be there for me, good times or bad, as she has demonstrated this to me, i have actual, real, evidence she is this way. Not just in my imagination, but, an actual history of times she has been there for me. (where i could actually see her, too) Again, not an baseless or irrational thing to believe.

so there are levels of faith, imo.

but, incredible claims require fantastic evidence.

tell me you have a dog, i'll take you at your word, as that is not an incredible claim.

tell me your dog can fly, and i'll require evidence to believe that.

plus, like i said before, i have never identified the need or use for a god. and they seem illogical to me. or even irrational at times. but, it depends on what god IS to a person.

god is physics, is less irrational to me, than any of the named theistic gods.

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i'd probably try harder to find a god that did make sense to me,

if i had a need of one. I just don't see the need for a god. Most anything someone tells me they have cuz they have a god, i also have, without a god. And many of the things others tell me are reasons to get a god, or find a god, make zero sense to me at all, on any level, such as life after death parties for people who believed in gods.

i have many problems with the concept that one's behavior is less important than an inner thing you say, (or an outer thing you say,such a public demonstrations of prayer, etc, for that matter)

or the fact there is zero objective, empirical evidence of life after death.

the whole concept reminds me a bit of that old youtube video "Kissing Hank's rearend"

the concept of infinite torture for a finite sin, is something i have many qualms with, too. I think more people should try to avoid fear-based or reward-based moral decision making, and instead,

be moral cuz it is the right to do.

the idea this is all i have, this one life right here, makes it all the more wonderful, imo. All the more precious.

I have a poster in my home, that reads

"Dance as if no one is watching

Love as if you've never been hurt

Sing as if no one can hear you

Live as if heaven IS here on earth."

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i do not mind the slightest bit, if anyone has any questions at all, about anything i said. I don't mind. Me, i'm all "for" asking questions.

I hope nothing i said offends anyone.

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i do not mind the slightest bit, if anyone has any questions at all, about anything i said. I don't mind. Me, i'm all "for" asking questions.

I hope nothing i said offends anyone.

I was thinking of a question I would have for an athiest and then I scrolled down and here was your latest post. :) Thanks. :up:

I have always wondered, this is a generalization but something I have been curious about. If someone doesn't believe in God or religion, why do they spend time and energy trying to disprove the idea? Why not ignore it and go on living life? It seems like a waste of one's energy and time to debate something, that in the atheist's mind, doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, ignore it, you know?

I have honestly wondered this in the past but I don't know any atheists to ask. It just seems some are very passionate in their actions in trying to disprove God. I know there was a man who spent much of his time trying to have laws changed or the twelve commandments taken out of court houses, etc. This is interesting to me.

(Well, in all fairness, there are many who also are just as passionate to prove there is a God.)

There was also another man, a reporter, his goal was to disprove God. After he investigated things, he became a Christian. He wrote the books "The Case for the Creator" and "The Case for Christ". The documentaries are on Netflix streaming. I haven't had a chance to watch them yet.

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i'd probably try harder to find a god that did make sense to me,

if i had a need of one. I just don't see the need for a god. Most anything someone tells me they have cuz they have a god, i also have, without a god. And many of the things others tell me are reasons to get a god, or find a god, make zero sense to me at all, on any level, such as life after death parties for people who believed in gods.

i have many problems with the concept that one's behavior is less important than an inner thing you say, (or an outer thing you say,such a public demonstrations of prayer, etc, for that matter)

or the fact there is zero objective, empirical evidence of life after death.

the whole concept reminds me a bit of that old youtube video "Kissing Hank's rearend"

the concept of infinite torture for a finite sin, is something i have many qualms with, too. I think more people should try to avoid fear-based or reward-based moral decision making, and instead,

be moral cuz it is the right to do.

the idea this is all i have, this one life right here, makes it all the more wonderful, imo. All the more precious.

I have a poster in my home, that reads

"Dance as if no one is watching

Love as if you've never been hurt

Sing as if no one can hear you

Live as if heaven IS here on earth."

For me, as a teenager, I felt like something was missing, like I wasn't complete.

One day, in the mid 80's, I went to church with a family member. What I heard that day, it all seemed to make sense. Jesus, loving me, dying for my sins. I am not perfect, no one is. But as a Christian, I believe that we are sinners, saved by grace. That Jesus died on the cross for our sins, a final act that tore the curtain of distance between us as humanity, to God. That I as a human being can have a personal relationship with God and with Jesus because He is my savior. I have Joy in my heart, I have love. This is what works for me. I do not condemn anyone else for havng their own opinions or beliefs. I have faith, (I know...that I know..that I know) that God is real, that the Jesus of the bible is real. This is what I believe and what I live by. I feel like I have had a good life, have dealt with hard times in my life through these beliefs and what I feel is a relationship, not a religion. Some may call it a crutch. When one is broken or hurt, maybe they need a crutch, but I am thankful that I went to church that day years ago as a teeneager. I am glad I am a Christian. :)

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God and physics are the same. Since then I know but cannot explain with words. I'm sure that no one will be denied joining with the universe because of ignorance. At the moment of death we will know. Then we choose God or not.

It makes no sense so I can't explain it.

thank you for this, herring.

i too, am an avid believer that God and (quantum) physics are one and the same...

and i cannot even begin to put into words the dynamics of it.

i do believe that we are spirit having a human experience...

and that i think of God/universe as the perfect energyform, and however that manifests itself.

i believe that God/universe is all about love...love is the answer, regardless of the question.

i've read about universal laws, and how they interact with our planet and the people in it.

it is very true re the saying that essentially states that you get what you give.

this is the most simplistic basis of the law of attraction.

we all operate on vibration, frequency, and duration levels of all energy expended.

i believe in spirit, angels, and all the experiences those entail.

i am in complete awe of God/universe/source - and while i don't understand 99% of its mechanics, my truth is when i rid my mind of preconceived attitudes/beliefs (ego at work), i sense, feel...BE the/my truth.

it is a sense of knowingness...that's all i can say.

and so, yes, the astronomy...our stars, skies, realms, heavens, etc...it is yet another significant component and influence of how it/we all work together...because we are all one.

ok, ok...i'm laughing now, perceiving you guys to be groaning, grimacing, rolling eyes, lol.

anyways, you get my drift...or not.

but that's what i believe, and feel (when i am fully conscious...working on that. ;)).

as it goes, we are all a work in progress. :)

leslie

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No groaning here Leslie. Spot on. :up:

you know frances, i logged off here and was just thinking about this thread.

when i thought of your post, it reminded me how much i enjoy you as a person.

you are truly TRULY a lovely woman, whose integrity and love of her religion, just shines through.

to me, you are a true Christian who lives as Jesus would embrace.

i esp love reading about your family life....it sounds truly loving and content.

my spirit feels and knows this to be true.

i thought it important to share this with you.

thanks for being you.

leslie

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