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but still, a great article, might help any theists (or anyone) who read it, reconsider what god is to them.

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oh no, some comets did hit earth, injuring over 1,000 humans.

Meteorite slams into Central Russia injuring 1100 - as it happened | Science | guardian.co.uk

still, no doubt, the rabbi who felt god was intervening to prevent the comet from hurting humans was...."right". Maybe god moved the comet juuuust enough, that it would hit a nation that DOES have national healthcare for all?

NO, wait, wait, it is god's will that those 1000 humans should suffer. (if the comet had missed, THAT would be god's will, right? cuz we'd "like" that story..)

apparently, even if the wider comet had hit earth, it would not have destroyed the entire planet, but, would have taken out a city or so....kinda like Katrina did to the city of New Orleans..... or the cities lost in Haitian earthquakes.......or the bulk of populations destroyed by the bubonic plague or the AIDs virus...... or what the volcano did to Pompeii, lots and lots of cities have been ruined by natural disasters....

yeah, sure, this is an interactive deity.....who is intervening to prevent suffering. JOY! JOY! JOY!! ?

see, *I* just do better celebrating 'real' stuff, than trusting those(like the rabbi, like most religious leaders)

who claim to know what the gods are doing.

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God to me is:

a friend,

a teacher,

a guide,

my source of strength in tribulation,

my source of grace when I feel like a biatch,

my savior who helped me discover my contentment and role in the world.

constant

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I have not yet the article, but i will, so far, i have only the words on this page.

If the gods really do intervene, why do they not stop earthquakes or floods or cancer or other human-killing events on the planet? What, the gods only care about comets?

makes no sense to me.

Sounds like you & Thomas Jefferson would agree. Are you a deist?

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Sounds like you & Thomas Jefferson would agree. Are you a deist?

I am an atheist, but, i find deism more sensible than theism, imo. Theism is far more dangerous than deism, and theism is so easy to debunk,

but, who can disagree with most deists? No one can prove there is no god at all, no one. (of course, the burden of proof always lies with those MAKING the claim, like if i say i can fly, you'd say "prove it", but, i can't reply "prove i CAN'T fly") And proving a negative, is often impossible.

Someone could say there are pink unicorns.

I could claim there are NO unicorns anywhere, send out teams of explorers, and report, "we have found no unicorns"

but, someone could reply, "what if the unicorns are living at bottom of ocean, or out in space, or are invisible?"

It's hard to prove a negative. The burden of proof lies with those making the claim, not those questioning it.

Faith---suspending one's own critical thinking ---- is not a quality to strive for, imo. By it's very nature, faith admits the story can not be taken on merit, or logic or rational thinking.

No one can emperically prove there IS a god either, or haven't yet anyway.

It is easy enough to logically prove the named gods have glaring illogical problems in the description of the gods, the sometimes immoral behaviors the gods are described as doing, the massive flaws in the divinely inspired books, the religion, their rules, their history, their 'Story', etc. but who can argue with a deist?

Many of the deist gods can be similar to an emotion, like joy or love,

some deists' gods are similar to nature's energy,

and some deist gods resemble the named gods the person grew up with, only without the book.

Deism always strikes me as more rational, more thoughtful, and somehow, more genuine, than theism. That's just my opinion of how i see the two (theism and deism) when compared.

RE: Thomas Jefferson, Many of the founding fathers were deists, and not theists, and there is evidence some were even atheists, or became atheists later in life.

I was once a deist myself briefly, but, I was very vulnerable at the time and had fallen in with wrong crowd, who were all very spiritual deists who were much egging me to become a deist.....so i tried it out....i really did *try*, for months, to imagine there was a deity of some type out there.........but, had to give it up again, it hurt my head. I could not make sense of any of it. I was taking my own inner emotions, of joy, and wonder and awe, and re-labelling my own inner emotions, or the laws of nature, as "deities".

I believe in many many things, but, not in deities. But, i am open to any objective, empirical evidence. I find this topic fascinating, really.

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God to me is:

a friend,

a teacher,

a guide,

my source of strength in tribulation,

my source of grace when I feel like a biatch,

my savior who helped me discover my contentment and role in the world.

constant

I know many people with invisible friends, and i tried to have one myself once, but, couldn't make sense out of my invisible friend,(it often seemed like the other side of my own brain) and i do just fine with my own real life pals, my own inner moral code guiding me, and my own endless fascination with nature.

when i "feel like a biatch", i am lucky, as i can usually find something to calm me again, whether it is walking in nature, listening to music, (LOVE music!) talking it out with a real life pal i trust and respect, exercising, thinking or studying solutions to whatever upset me, or just being with my dog, reading or listening to something inspirational written by another human, taking a nap, getting or giving a backrub, doing good deeds, a bubble bath and a merlot, somehow i always find some way to calm myself again, too, even though i do not have an invisible friend..

but, glad that your invisible friend is a nice one!!

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I don't know about anyone else, but I find the term 'invisible friend' to be rather contemptuous of, and demeaning to those of us who believe in a Higher Power, whatever we conceive Him/Her/It to be.

Please, let's be considerate of all members and visitors who may be reading this forum, and use constructive language to express our opinions.

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God to me is:

a friend,

a teacher,

a guide,

my source of strength in tribulation,

my source of grace when I feel like a biatch,

my savior who helped me discover my contentment and role in the world.

constant

That is beautiful, tewdles.....wish I could "like" your post 100 times. :yes:

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I don't know about anyone else, but I find the term 'invisible friend' to be rather contemptuous of, and demeaning to those of us who believe in a Higher Power, whatever we conceive Him/Her/It to be.

Please, let's be considerate of all members and visitors who may be reading this forum, and use constructive language to express our opinions.

Unless the person can see their friend, the friend is invisible. This isn't disrespectful, it seems to be factual.

Many religious people do think of their gods as a friend. Most people see the word "friend" as complimentary. Which word would you prefer i use to someone who hangs around with, and comforts another person? There are even songs about Jesus being 'a friend of mine', ' best friend', etc. Never crossed my mind that anyone could see the word "friend" as an insult?

also, tewdles herself describes her god as her "friend". Maybe you are upset at the wrong person...

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I am with Viva. Invisible friend is not a complimentary term. It reeks of childhood invisible friends and the jokes that endure about this. I also am not thrilled when I read people talking disrectfully about the Garden of Eden. I may not believe the story as handed down but to belittle beliefs is not attractive. It is the belief not the speicific issue that is important. The rest can be metaphors so people could understand concepts that are hard to define. The concept of good and evil is pretty much found in many religions, certainly all that use even parts of the OT.

While we talk about having a friend in Jesus, and describe God as a loving and friendly Being we are not describing our bff. We are describing a deity. To me it is similar to calling a tree a bunch of water and chlorophyll with wood. True but not complete.

While you may see religions based on a one God principle as something you don't believe in or wish to endorse in any other way, you came to this thread that is about God as a Rabbi understands him. He has had multiple years and the scholars before him centuries of thought and study. I would rather discuss his views and not focus on an individual POV.

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The believers of Jesus Christ "see" Him and His work with "spritual eyes". So to us, He is not "invisible".

I for one, am not offended by those who do not share my faith or by the words they use relative to faith...

Love is not easily offended.

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