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The Public Hearing: Day 1

I thought that these men gave credible testimony and set a foundation for establishing how bribery and extortion are not in the least ok and are not part of customary diplomacy. 

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I'm wondering why President Trump didn't ask Attorney General Yates, Boente, Sessions, Whitaker, OR Attorney General Barr to begin an investigation of Hunter and/or Vice President Biden. Such an investigation should NOT depend on the President of The Ukraine or any other world leader having to do the investigation as a condition of receiving military assistance needed to prevent the Russians from killing Ukrainians and taking over their country.

I also wonder how the people insisting the Impeachment be side tracked with a completely different investigation when President Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, Booker, Castro, Yang, Klobuchar, Gabbard, Bullock, or Bennett asks the leaders of a country the "favor" of investigating the financial or diplomatic dealings of Donald Jr, Eric. or Ivanka Trump as a condition of receiving assistance the bipartisan Congress already authorized.  

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37 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

I'm wondering why President Trump didn't ask Attorney General Yates, Boente, Sessions, Whitaker, OR Attorney General Barr to begin an investigation of Hunter and/or Vice President Biden. Such an investigation should NOT depend on the President of The Ukraine or any other world leader having to do the investigation as a condition of receiving military assistance needed to prevent the Russians from killing Ukrainians and taking over their country.

I also wonder how the people insisting the Impeachment be side tracked with a completely different investigation when President Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, Booker, Castro, Yang, Klobuchar, Gabbard, Bullock, or Bennett asks the leaders of a country the "favor" of investigating the financial or diplomatic dealings of Donald Jr, Eric. or Ivanka Trump as a condition of receiving assistance the bipartisan Congress already authorized.  

It's almost like the GOP leadership cannot envision a time when Trump or Republicans will not be in control of the executive branch. Frankly, I think Trump has asked for investigations of his political enemies.  Wasn't Barr cagey about answering that question when he was appearing before Congress? Seems that I recall that he couldn't provide a direct answer to Senator Harris' straight forward question.  

This administration gives people lots to be suspicious of with a loose cannon as a POTUS.

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8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's almost like the GOP leadership cannot envision a time when Trump or Republicans will not be in control of the executive branch. 

Or Democrats can't envision it either.  We'll see if they remember who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences and personal dislikes when it comes around back to a Democrat president.

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12 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Or Democrats can't envision it either.  We'll see if they remember who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences and personal dislikes when it comes around back to a Democrat president.

It was the founding fathers that set the precedent of impeachment for bribery, and made sure the Constitution was pretty clear what should happen when this occurs.  

Politics being what it is, I certainly wouldn't say it's impossible for a party to be hypocritical.  But I'm not nearly as worried about the Democrats setting the precedent that we should follow the Constitution as I am about Republicans setting the precedent we should flagrantly violate the Constitution for partisan purposes.

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13 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Or Democrats can't envision it either.  We'll see if they remember who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences and personal dislikes when it comes around back to a Democrat president.

Tell us who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences or personal dislikes, please.  Was that the case in Nixon's impeachment or Clinton's? Or are you claiming that this process is setting some frightening precedent simply because that is the only defense for bribery?

Funny that you mention inability to remember something when Trump supporters can't seem to remember that Trump told the world that he wanted foreign assistance in the 2020 election, Trump's acting Chief of Staff said that they do it all the time, the House rules currently in place were written by the GOP and  constitutional oversight is literally their job.   Why is it that conservatives can't remember that there are co-equal branches of government, that the constitution puts no man above the law, and bribery is not only a crime but, as a practice, is dangerous to our Republic and requires impeachment.

But please, tell us who you believe established this precedent you are concerned about while you seemingly are not at all concerned about the corruption of the president. 

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12 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Tell us who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences or personal dislikes, please.  Was that the case in Nixon's impeachment or Clinton's? Or are you claiming that this process is setting some frightening precedent simply because that is the only defense for bribery?

Funny that you mention inability to remember something when Trump supporters can't seem to remember that Trump told the world that he wanted foreign assistance in the 2020 election, Trump's acting Chief of Staff said that they do it all the time, the House rules currently in place were written by the GOP and  constitutional oversight is literally their job.   Why is it that conservatives can't remember that there are co-equal branches of government, that the constitution puts no man above the law, and bribery is not only a crime but, as a practice, is dangerous to our Republic and requires impeachment.

But please, tell us who you believe established this precedent you are concerned about while you seemingly are not at all concerned about the corruption of the president. 

Sorry.  I am refraining from discussion derived from deflection and whataboutism.

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2 hours ago, MunoRN said:

It was the founding fathers that set the precedent of impeachment for bribery, and made sure the Constitution was pretty clear what should happen when this occurs.  

Politics being what it is, I certainly wouldn't say it's impossible for a party to be hypocritical.  But I'm not nearly as worried about the Democrats setting the precedent that we should follow the Constitution as I am about Republicans setting the precedent we should flagrantly violate the Constitution for partisan purposes.

The founding fathers' concern was that the president could be bribed.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Tell us who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences or personal dislikes, please.  Was that the case in Nixon's impeachment or Clinton's? Or are you claiming that this process is setting some frightening precedent simply because that is the only defense for bribery?

Funny that you mention inability to remember something when Trump supporters can't seem to remember that Trump told the world that he wanted foreign assistance in the 2020 election, Trump's acting Chief of Staff said that they do it all the time, the House rules currently in place were written by the GOP and  constitutional oversight is literally their job.   Why is it that conservatives can't remember that there are co-equal branches of government, that the constitution puts no man above the law, and bribery is not only a crime but, as a practice, is dangerous to our Republic and requires impeachment.

But please, tell us who you believe established this precedent you are concerned about while you seemingly are not at all concerned about the corruption of the president. 

Ahh, baloney.

It seems that Trumpsters are not only a collective group of slow learners, who can't recall what Trump has said, or even how the US system of government works, but they also can't recall how they own party has responded to former presidents questionable behavior.

Gosh.

Do you recall the Clinton Lincoln Bedroom controversy?

I do.

Republicans accused Clinton of renting out the room to campaign contributors, in violation of campaign finance law.

Trent Lott was Senate Majority Leader at the time.

He pushed for an independent Counsel Investigation.

Seems rather quaint, given Trump is accused of quid pro quo, bribery and other things, involving a foreign nation.

Goodness. Republicans, if they indeed ever possessed a moral compass, are truly lost in wilderness nowadays, aren't they?

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56 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Ahh, baloney.

It seems that Trumpsters are not only a collective group of slow learners, who can't recall what Trump has said, or even how the US system of government works, but they also can't recall how they own party has responded to former presidents questionable behavior.

Gosh.

Do you recall the Clinton Lincoln Bedroom controversy?

I do.

Republicans accused Clinton of renting out the room to campaign contributors, in violation of campaign finance law.

Trent Lott was Senate Majority Leader at the time.

He pushed for an independent Counsel Investigation.

Seems rather quaint, given Trump is accused of quid pro quo, bribery and other things, involving a foreign nation.

Goodness. Republicans, if they indeed ever possessed a moral compass, are truly lost in wilderness nowadays, aren't they?

More deflection.  Strange how there is so much discussion of last events, and hardly any of the impeachment hearings.

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Tell us who set the precedent for impeachment proceedings being held because of policy differences or personal dislikes, please. 

He means the current Democrats set this president and perhaps we should remember that we're impeaching him for no good reason.

All other issues aside, the Democrats are merely impeaching Trump because he's so popular and getting so much done, Democrats can't stand that and better to impeach.  

He's victim of a witch hunt because they don't like him or his policies.

In the words of Fox News, it's Democrat Impeachment Hysteria for no good reason.  Just made up because Democrats don't like him and there's fear he's going to be re-elected.  

Unfortunately I've been off for two days and can't talk about the hearings.  

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

The founding fathers' concern was that the president could be bribed.  

 

 

So you are quite certain that when they listed bribery with high crimes and misdemeanors they were talking about someone else's bribery or high crimes? Exactly what compels you to think that the founding fathers thought that it would be ok if the president was utilizing the power of his office to bribe other leaders for his personal political benefit? Do you have any documentation to support this thinking.  On its face it is illogical, in my opinion.

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