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Let me get out my baby spoon for you Horseshoe and Nel. This took all of two seconds to find.

Can the U.S. Repair Its Health Care While Keeping Its Innovation Edge? - The New York Times

"Naturally, the innovation rewarded by the American health care system doesn't stay in the U.S. It's enjoyed worldwide, even though other countries pay a lot less for it. So it's also reasonable to debate whether it's fair for the United States to be the world's biggest subsidizer of health care innovation."

Now, are you going to hold others to the same standard of sourcing everything?

They don't seem to argue that we would lose our healthcare innovation if we went to single payer, they even appear to suggest the opposite is possible.

In fact, some question whether the innovation incentive offered by the health care market is too strong. Spending less and skipping the marginal innovation is a rational choice. Spending differently to encourage different forms of innovation is another approach.

"We have a health care system with all sorts of perverse incentives, many of which do little good for patients," said Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute and the other expert panelist who favored the U.S. over France, along with Mr. Garthwaite. "If we could orient the system toward measuring and incentivizing meaningfully better health outcomes, we would have more innovations that are worth paying for."

Naturally, the innovation rewarded by the American health care system doesn't stay in the U.S. It's enjoyed worldwide, even though other countries pay a lot less for it. So it's also reasonable to debate whether it's fair for the United States to be the world's biggest subsidizer of health care innovation. This is a different debate than whether and how the country's health care system should be redesigned. We can stifle or stimulate innovation regardless of how we obtain insurance and deliver care.

"We have confused the issue of how we pay for care - market-based, Medicare for all, or something else - with how we spur innovation," Dr. Jha said. "In doing so, we have made it harder to engage in the far more important debate: how we develop new tests and treatments for our neediest patients in ways that improve lives and don't bankrupt our nation."

How much healthcare innovation do you feel is currently driven by private insurance companies?

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Let me get out my baby spoon for you Horseshoe and Nel. This took all of two seconds to find.

Can the U.S. Repair Its Health Care While Keeping Its Innovation Edge? - The New York Times

"Naturally, the innovation rewarded by the American health care system doesn't stay in the U.S. It's enjoyed worldwide, even though other countries pay a lot less for it. So it's also reasonable to debate whether it's fair for the United States to be the world's biggest subsidizer of health care innovation."

Now, are you going to hold others to the same standard of sourcing everything?

AGAIN, Dude, nobody is asking you to spoon feed anybody.

But if you decide to emulate your mentor, Donnie the Clown, and throw crap against the wall to see if it will stick, you will be asked to source.

You have been participating on these threads long enough to know the basics.

Like your mentor, Donnie the Clown, you somehow thought the basic rules didn't apply to you, and attempted to skirt.

Shucks, you were called out!

And like your mentor, Donnie the Clown, you don't like being held accountable.

No surprise!

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A reminder that we already know that a long term goal of Russian internet operations in the US is to gin up arguments and exaggerate discord and division. We've experienced this pattern before. Pay close attention to the dog whistles. Don't take the bait.

I can't predict what the Democrats can accomplish if they gain even partial control of Congress, but I definitely have a wish list, mostly focused on the damage already done and tapping the brakes on idiotic new proposals like dropping emissions standards for cars.

Am am awaiting my ride home from work and won't get into detail now. I will say that we took fifty years to dig ourselves into this hole, we won't climb out with one off-year election.

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Are you sure you worked in the ER, Dude?

I didn't think they hired five-year-olds.

Testy, testy, Nel.

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Testy, testy, Nel.

Not at all, Dude!

I simply have no problem confronting your behavior.

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A reminder that we already know that a long term goal of Russian internet operations in the US is to gin up arguments and exaggerate discord and division. We've experienced this pattern before. Pay close attention to the dog whistles. Don't take the bait.

I can't predict what the Democrats can accomplish if they gain even partial control of Congress, but I definitely have a wish list, mostly focused on the damage already done and tapping the brakes on idiotic new proposals like dropping emissions standards for cars.

Am am awaiting my ride home from work and won't get into detail now. I will say that we took fifty years to dig ourselves into this hole, we won't climb out with one off-year election.

Very true, Heron.

My wish list is similar to your wish list, with one addition.

I want the racists and bigots to once again be closeted. They need to go deep, deep, into the closet.

They should find no safe space in the public sphere.

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They're both government run, but that's pretty much the extent of the similarities, and what makes the VA bad apply at least much to the private insurance sector if not more.

The main problem with the VA is that it's way too cheap, for a patient that medicare would pay for about $60,000 of care per year, the VA only pays for about $5,000 per year. The VA does this by restricting access to care by requiring patients only use designated services and facilities, which is also what private insurers do and we see the same reduced access to care as a result.

The VA is also government run healthcare delivery which is problematic in any situation where the insurer is also the one delivering care, medicare and medicare-for-all still utilize competitive, separately operated healthcare delivery and even still utilizes private insurers, but where the profit motive is to provide the most effective and efficient care, currently the profit motive for private insurers is to provide as little care as possible, much like the VA.

I would agree the profit motive for private insurers is a big problem. I believe if insurance was no longer tied to employment so that we had more choices and longer relationships with our insurance companies, competition would go a long ways to fix that issue.

I could go on and on about the subject, but the fact is no one in DC has any serious intentions on doing anything. We probably are headed for Medicare for all.

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Nel and Horseshoe....Muno included a lot of numbers and asserted facts in the post I just replied to. Don't you want to have him provide the sources for his info?

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Nel and Horseshoe....Muno included a lot of numbers and asserted facts in the post I just replied to. Don't you want to have him provide the sources for his info?

Would you like for Chare to stop asking for sources?

I've noticed you never speak up, or complain when Chare requests sources.

And by the way, I am not criticizing Chare for doing so.

I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy, Dude.

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