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On 3/4/2019 at 6:34 AM, Tweety said:

He's all over the place.  But maybe like a lot of his generation (boomer which I suppose is my generation) he's become conservative as he's aged.  He's a billionaire but that wouldn't make him conservative necessarily, and it seems like he marches to his own drum.

I saw a Tweet from him yesterday that supports the pulling out of the Paris accords by the US (he's Canadian).  I've also read he says there isn't enough scientific evidence that humans contribute to climate change, that he is on the outs with Greenpeace for their tactics and them not being scientific enough.  Greenpeace takes him to task for being a corporate hack that supports the logging and nuclear energy industries.   He seems a bit crotchety with no one being good enough for him.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Patrick-Moore-a-paid-representative-of-corporate-polluters-as-Greenpeace-claims-or-is-he-an-environmentalist-who-has-been-turned-off-by-a-radicalized-movement

Yeah, did I miss a post where it was acknowledged by the conservative poster bringing this up, that the guy LEFT Greenpeace some FIFTEEN years ago?

In other words, who cares what he has to say?

He moved from the light, to the dark side, and Greenpeace disavows his views, and makes clear, he is not associated with the group.

You have to be pretty desperate to use an affiliation from 15 years ago to make some kind of weak point.

Spin.

It's all Trumpsters have left.

And they aren't given good at it!

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7 minutes ago, Tweety said:

My comment wasn't directed at Democrats as a whole.

It was directed at the voters in her district.

So long as she doesn't start grabbing men and women by the crotch, or engaging in money laundering, what other Democrats think of her is irrelevant.

At this point, it only matters what voters in her district think of her.

And they seem to like her.

 

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14 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.facebook.com/RickJoyner.MorningStar/videos/293033984703384/

This "pastor"

posts rants in between selling stuff to his flock.  Part of what he sells is partisan politics especially targeting AOC.  Why shouldn't these ministries pay taxes again? And, why are conservatives so obsessed with the youngest women ever elected to Congress? 

 

You know the answer to your last question, baloney.

Isn't this pastor violating the Johnson Amendment?

Somebody needs to report him.

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2 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

My comment wasn't directed at Democrats as a whole.

It was directed at the voters in her district.

So long as she doesn't start grabbing men and women by the crotch, or engaging in money laundering, what other Democrats think of her is irrelevant.

At this point, it only matters what voters in her district think of her.

And they seem to like her.

 

That's only true relative to her electability.  Politics is much more than that.  MUCH more. If AOC can't rally support among her own caucus she won't be an effective legislator for her constituents. Remember, it's difficult for women in Congress. Congress is not necessarily female "friendly" in some ways, some of them more insidious than others. 

I watch too much live streaming of Congressional goings on.  In some settings the misogyny and bigotry nearly clouds the air -- women talked over, dismissed with condescension, wholly ignored.  "And yet she persisted" comes immediately to mind. Right now a female member is being chastised for antisemitism when she said nothing antisemitic.  I believe that the bigots are reacting to her faith and feel comfortable scapegoating a woman of color for political points. 

I agree that her constituents like her, but AOC can't ignore the politics.  My bet is that she's going to just be herself as she learns the local schoolyard rules. She's going to be curious, prepared, direct and optimistic. And the she's going to play the game in a way that makes old men uncomfortable.  Some anyway. 

Like you, I think the odds are in her favor. 

 

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3 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

My comment wasn't directed at Democrats as a whole.

It was directed at the voters in her district.

So long as she doesn't start grabbing men and women by the crotch, or engaging in money laundering, what other Democrats think of her is irrelevant.

At this point, it only matters what voters in her district think of her.

And they seem to like her.

 

Right now.  But I do think for the long term it matters what people outside her district think of her, especially her colleagues.  On one hand it's admirable to do your thing and not care what people think, it's another to threaten.  I would find it hard to believe her ambitions are only for this district and not maybe a higher office like Senator or even President.  She doesn't need to antagonize Democrats especially if she wants them to vote with her on her ideas. 

In my opinion.  

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47 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Right now.  But I do think for the long term it matters what people outside her district think of her, especially her colleagues.  On one hand it's admirable to do your thing and not care what people think, it's another to threaten.  I would find it hard to believe her ambitions are only for this district and not maybe a higher office like Senator or even President.  She doesn't need to antagonize Democrats especially if she wants them to vote with her on her ideas. 

In my opinion.  

I think that it's entirely plausible and believable that she has no political ambition beyond succeeding in this very new role right now.  Maybe in a couple of years she will indulge that thinking. She's young. 

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8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I think that it's entirely plausible and believable that she has no political ambition beyond succeeding in this very new role right now.  Maybe in a couple of years she will indulge that thinking. She's young. 

Most definitely she has to look to the immediate and must succeed in this new role to move on.

To me she's looking very well beyond just succeeding right now and her statements about trying to get other social democrats elected over established democrats shows her ambition.  If she can get rid of the established and get Social Democrats in she might get her agenda passed, but she also might rise higher in power.  

That may be how she wants to rise and change the party from within, but she would be wise to not alienate the party she belongs to and voters like me.

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11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I think that it's entirely plausible and believable that she has no political ambition beyond succeeding in this very new role right now.  Maybe in a couple of years she will indulge that thinking. She's young. 

I agree.

Either way, I think she will figure it out.

She is smart.

And she terrifies the old, White men on the other side.

Watching, and listening to them do all they can do to discredit her is fascinating.

They are scared.

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6 hours ago, Tweety said:

Most definitely she has to look to the immediate and must succeed in this new role to move on.

To me she's looking very well beyond just succeeding right now and her statements about trying to get other social democrats elected over established democrats shows her ambition.  If she can get rid of the established and get Social Democrats in she might get her agenda passed, but she also might rise higher in power.  

That may be how she wants to rise and change the party from within, but she would be wise to not alienate the party she belongs to and voters like me.

From CNN, today:

Democratic Voters: AOC 'Is The Candidate Of The Future'

They like her!

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13 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

I agree.

Either way, I think she will figure it out.

She is smart.

And she terrifies the old, White men on the other side.

Watching, and listening to them do all they can do to discredit her is fascinating.

They are scared.

I don't think they the "they are terrified of her" because she's a strong minority female with bold new ideas, was used against moderate democrats.  People don't want to lose power, people don't like her agenda, but no one is terrified of her in my opinion.

I do agree white men want to hold on to power and don't want her or people with her agenda to take it.  But "scared" and "terrified"...not so sure.

 

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