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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Ultimately, I don't want to demonize Amazon.  A city hands you 3 billion and you take it.  You try to get the best deal you can.  It's more of the system of corporate welfare that I don't approve of.  

They've certainly had an impact surrounding me.  They came with a center in 2015 and added 2,000 jobs. They now employ 4,000 people and raised their wages in two centers in my area.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20181002/amazon-to-start-paying-minimum-of-15-per-hour-next-month

I've used Amazon for many years, buying books that weren't available here, and music CDs.  Now,  I like ordering things and having them delivered same day or within 2 days and get obscure things like organic white peony tea, pomegranate molasses and other things, and I like their TV shows.

 

I agree with everything here, including the “corporate welfare”.  Usually though, if your city doesn’t provide it, someone else will.  And so the game goes.  You have weigh the benefits vs cons.  It seems NY didn’t do that so well in this instance. 

I love Amazon for the same reasons.  Last Sunday I ordered a textbook at 9pm on Sunday night and had it the next afternoon.  

 

 

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14 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

I agree with everything here, including the “corporate welfare”.  Usually though, if your city doesn’t provide it, someone else will.  And so the game goes.  You have weigh the benefits vs cons.  It seems NY didn’t do that so well in this instance. 

I love Amazon for the same reasons.  Last Sunday I ordered a textbook at 9pm on Sunday night and had it the next afternoon.  

 

 

I think that was Amazon's reaction, "meh..you don't want us, we'll find a place to go, can't deal with your drama".  Yes, cities try to lure with the tax breaks.  They were able to secure six million in breaks from Hillsborough County here in 2015 for those 2,000 jobs.  Orlando offered 40 million for a warehouse there....and so it goes.  

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

Again, I agree her response showed some ignorance.

Also, I was trying to find some validation of your claim that Amazon still would be paying $27 billion in taxes and couldn't find it.  Can you provide your source?

I think you're meaning that their economic impact on tax revenues of other people paying taxes would have been $27 billion.  That's a lot of money and certainly understandable why people would be upset.  All those jobs with people spending money, renting and buying homes etc. was going to have a big impact.  

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-queens-new-york-bottom-line/2871883002/

On a federal level you might remember this controversy.  Amazon will be fine and will hold another city hostage with all their glitter and gold.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-taxes-zero-180337770.html

Did you all see the Washington Post article, that has Amazon paying NO corporate taxes on a huge profit?

Apparently, this is far more common than most would think.

Not surprisingly, I don't like Amazon, and try to avoid it as best as I can.

I wouldn't want their second headquarters in my back yard.

 

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

Again, I agree her response showed some ignorance.

Also, I was trying to find some validation of your claim that Amazon still would be paying $27 billion in taxes and couldn't find it.  Can you provide your source?

I think you're meaning that their economic impact on tax revenues of other people paying taxes would have been $27 billion.  That's a lot of money and certainly understandable why people would be upset.  All those jobs with people spending money, renting and buying homes etc. was going to have a big impact.  

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-queens-new-york-bottom-line/2871883002/

On a federal level you might remember this controversy.  Amazon will be fine and will hold another city hostage with all their glitter and gold.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-taxes-zero-180337770.html

The reasons why many people didn't want Amazon coming to a historically low-income area in Queens makes perfect sense.

The poor in the area would be displaced.

Where would they go?

The NYC area, is already one of the most expensive in the nation, so, the poor won't be easily absorbed.

These potentially high paying jobs at the headquarters, were NOT going to go to the working poor in the neighborhood.

So, what was the real benefit to the neighborhood? Not much.

Displacement.

Greater income inequality.

I think AOC served her constituents well.

Of course, that is not the opinion of most Capitalists.

But I am not a Capitalist.

 

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These decisions are too complicate for me. I think, "On one hand I think something and on the other hand another, and on and on.

Locally here Amazon agreed with the City of Compton city council and mayor to hire at least 25% Compton residents when they bought an entire city block with an abandoned warehouse. They call this their Los Angeles Center. As soon as they opened I noticed more Amazon and fewer UPS and FedEx delivery vehicles. The ads for drivers state two requirements. One is to have no criminal record. The other is a DMV record with no accidents or moving violations for the last three years or longer. The new drivers I've met are all very polite, they leave boxes where requested, and knock after putting items on the porch. They are young and old, many women, but about 2/3 men, mostly minority and some White, tall, short, big and small. 

I think Compton property cost may go up faster with Amazon there, but being on the border with Long Beach, but housing costs would soon rise anyway.

This is an interesting report. I just posted a little of it:

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This City Told Amazon And Google: No Incentives For You

A mayor from another city that tried to land big tech companies might be starting to look pretty smart after Amazon canceled its plans for a New York City headquarters. Activists and local politicians said New York had given up too much for too little.

But it doesn't have to be that way, according to San Jose, Calif., Mayor Sam Liccardo, who refused to offer Amazon and another tech giant, Google, any incentives to locate in his city....

...   As big tech companies expand nationwide, cities continue to grapple with how to make sure they are benefiting. One example is San Jose.

Last year, when Amazon was looking for a city to house its second headquarters, Liccardo threw San Jose's hat in the ring. But unlike the various cities that promised generous tax incentives, San Jose offered Amazon no money...

...   Liccardo says when he was approached by Google, which was interested in building a campus in San Jose, the company didn't ask for incentives and his government didn't offer any. Rather, the mayor says the city is requiring that 25 percent of the housing built around the campus be rent-restricted and affordable. Like most of the Bay Area, the cost of living in San Jose has skyrocketed, largely driven by the tech boom.

Google, which is headquartered nearby Mountain View, is projected to bring tens of thousands of jobs to San Jose. And Liccardo says the company agreed to fees on development to help fund affordable housing.

Google is planning to develop as much as 8 million square feet in downtown San Jose. The city lacks the allure of San Francisco or neighboring Palo Alto, so it's not hard to see why some are so excited to develop it. But plenty of locals and activists are not happy with Google moving in...

https://www.scpr.org/news/2019/02/15/88292/this-city-told-amazon-and-google-no-incentives-for/

 

 

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35 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

These decisions are too complicate for me. I think, "On one hand I think something and on the other hand another, and on and on.

Locally here Amazon agreed with the City of Compton city council and mayor to hire at least 25% Compton residents when they bought an entire city block with an abandoned warehouse. They call this their Los Angeles Center. As soon as they opened I noticed more Amazon and fewer UPS and FedEx delivery vehicles. The ads for drivers state two requirements. One is to have no criminal record. The other is a DMV record with no accidents or moving violations for the last three years or longer. The new drivers I've met are all very polite, they leave boxes where requested, and knock after putting items on the porch. They are young and old, many women, but about 2/3 men, mostly minority and some White, tall, short, big and small. 

I think Compton property cost may go up faster with Amazon there, but being on the border with Long Beach, but housing costs would soon rise anyway.

This is an interesting report. I just posted a little of it:

 

I think CA, and Seattle have witnessed first hand, exactly what can happen to a community when the poor and middle class, are pushed out by the likes of Google, Facebook and Amazon.

Again, I think AOC did exactly what her constituents voted her into office to do: protect their interests.

Great win for her, and them.

 

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7 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

I think CA, and Seattle have witnessed first hand, exactly what can happen to a community when the poor and middle class, are pushed out by the likes of Google, Facebook and Amazon.

Again, I think AOC did exactly what her constituents voted her into office to do: protect their interests.

Great win for her, and them.

 

Where we live, two miles from the beach and bike path, was considered a ghetto when we bought our house in 1969. It was a WPA project built in 1932. The homes were first purchased by Dust Bowl refugees, almost all White and Black people from Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas, Georgia, and Tennesee. Four original owners lived on our block when we bought. 

There were no gang members near us, and violent crime was low. Our block remains friendly. 

Yesterday at the park I met recent neighbors from wealthy places and many states. I spoke with the grandson of an original owner, who said that , like us, his family could not afford to live here if we had not bought before the cost of housing soared. Our newer neighbors love it here too. 

I think some of the rise in housing is that this side of the city is near the beach and away from the worst smog and high summer heat. come in. Other than the relatively new Compton facility we haven't had"big Tech" come near. 

A ways up the coast is "Silicone Beach" where new tech companies are doing well:  https://www.builtinla.com/2018/03/26/silicon-beach-guide-tech-scene 

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8 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

By the context, I think you meant silicon, not silicone beach.

Although, if SoCal, could be Silicone Beach.

OMG too funny.  You do have a sense of humor.  😂

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35 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

By the context, I think you meant silicon, not silicone beach.

Although, if SoCal, could be Silicone Beach.

That would be quite a beach! I may prefer a silly cone tulips-2148628__340_zpsfjy3mnpl.jpg

Yup, your post was my laugh of the day!   

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